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A Canadian Combat First

February 5, 2009: This year Canadian troops have, for the first time, flown in a Canadian helicopter in a combat zone. Two CH-146 helicopters flew soldiers to a Canadian base in Afghanistan. The last time Canadian troops were in large scale combat, during the Korean War (1950-53), there were few helicopters available (the first use of helicopters in combat had occurred in 1944), and they were all American.

Canada has established its own little air force in Afghanistan. The Canadian Air Wing will have, by this Summer, six leased Russian made Mi-8 transport helicopters, six newly purchased U.S. CH-47 transport helicopters and eight Canadian made CH-146 armed transports to escort the larger choppers. The Wing will have about 450 personnel to support the twenty helicopters and some UAVs.

A primary function of the choppers will be to keep Canadian troops off the roads, where half the casualties have been suffered because of roadside bombs. Previous to the establishment of the Wing, the 2,500 Canadian troops had much less access to helicopter transport than their American or NATO allies fighting in the south. This is the first time, since the Korean War (1950-53) that Canadian forces have established an Air Wing in a combat zone.

The 22 ton CH-47F can carry ten tons of cargo, or up to 55 troops, and has a maximum range of 426 kilometers. Its max speed is 315 kilometers an hour. Typical missions last no more than three hours.

The 12 ton Mi-8 can carry three tons (or up to 24 passengers) and has a max speed of 240 kilometers an hour and about the same range as the CH-47. Typical missions can last up to four hours.

The 5.3 ton CH-146 is actually the Bell 412, which is in turn an updated version of the Bell 212, which is a civilian version of the 1960s era U.S. Army UH-1 ("Huey"). Built in Canada, the CH-146s normally carry twelve troops, and no weapons. But such helicopters have been equipped with machine-guns and rockets and have no problem keeping up with the CH-47s and Mi-8s.

 

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sjdoc    What Canadian ground elements...?   2/5/2009 12:11:36 PM
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...have been committed to Afghanistan, both combat and support units?
 
The Canadian military has an understated but very proud history, and I'm interested in learning more about how the professional officers and other ranks of today consider their role in the defense of Western Civilization against the forces of Islamic aggression.
 
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Dave_in_Pa    Re: What Canadian ground elements...?   2/5/2009 2:22:38 PM
sjdoc, you might want to visit the blog The Torch , which is a Canadian blog focusing on the Canadian Military.  This is an extremely well-written blog, done by a number of regular contributors who know their stuff and present it objectively.  They have much current and archived information about Canadian military activity in Afghanistan and Afghanistan in general.
 
Canada has truly been a valuable ally to the US and a responsible member of NATO.  For most of the time since the Liberation of Afghanistan in 2001-2002, the Canadians have been one of the few real combat partners of the US.  In non-stop tours since then, they've regularly rotated approx. 2,500 Soldier combat task forces, centered around a reinforced heavy infantry battalion, with their own artillery, tank logistical and HQ support forces. They are stationed in the combat area of southern Af-stan too, not sitting on their arses in the safe areas like some of our "allies". The Taliban and Al Qaeda have not enjoyed making their acquaintance.
 
The Canadians have inflicted heavy casualties on Al Qaeda and the Taliban.  In these years, the Canadians have suffered over 100 dead, which relatively per capita would equal 1,000 American dead. Like their forbears in Korea and the World Wars, the Canadian combat troops have earned high respect from their Allied combat partners in Af-stan. On the reconstruction side, the Canadians have also made great contributions, much appreciated by the Afghan people.
 
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Dave_in_Pa    Re: What Canadian ground elements...?   2/5/2009 2:24:54 PM
That URL for The Torch didn't come out right. It's link
 
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FlyingDutchman       2/5/2009 5:16:52 PM
Nothing but respect for the Canadian troops over there.
 
But what kind of a lousy solution is leasing six Mi-8's? 
IMHO you can see exactly the same short term 'panic' solutions with the other nations in Afghanistan.
 
 
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Librarian    Canadian contribution   2/5/2009 7:21:35 PM
The exact make-up of Canada's Afghanistan contribution has varied a fair bit over the years. If I had to quantify it, it would be about a battalion of mechanized infantry (riding various wheeled APCs of the LAV-III family) plus support units including a detachment of Leopard 2 tanks.
 
The use of leased Mi-8's is stop-gap measure as there is (or at least was) a global shortage of new CH-47s. The CH-146 fleet was adequate for Canadian Forces operations, until Afghanistan where the high altitude rendered their payloads nearly useless.
 
The article is slightly inaccurate as Canadian Forces have flown helicopters in combat zones before.  IIRC, they lost a helicopter while monitoring a cease-fire agreement in Vietnam.  However, that was an observer mission rather than the combat mission in Afghanistan.
 
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ArtyEngineer    Use of 146's as escorts   2/6/2009 12:37:03 AM
Is this a stop gap measure with an Urgent Operational Needs/Requirment buy of a dedicated attack helo imminent?  Wouldnt be the first time the Canadian forces have used their Afghan mission to leverage a new equipment buy from the politicians ;)
 
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fixerdave       2/6/2009 1:09:39 AM
"This is the first time, since the Korean War (1950-53) that Canadian forces have established an Air Wing in a combat zone"

 
1991 Kuwait...  "Canada was the fourth largest non-Arab contributor to the coalition that liberated Kuwait, providing a naval squadron, an augmented F-18 squadron and a field hospital."  Link

1999...NATO bombing of Yugoslavia:  "making Canadians responsible for 10% of all bombs dropped in the operation"  Link
 
We may be quiet about it, but we do get around.  It's not like we've been twiddling thumbs since Korea.
 

 
 
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maruben    May 1944   2/6/2009 3:41:08 PM
.S. Air Force Fact Sheet
SIKORSKY R-4B HOVERFLY
Sikorsky R-4B

Developed by Igor Sikorsy from his famous VS-300 experimental helicopter, the R-4 became the world's first production helicopter, and the U.S. Army Air Force's first service helicopter. The prototype XR-4 made its initial flight on Jan. 13, 1942, and as a result of its successful flight tests, the USAAF ordered three YR-4As and 27 YR-4Bs for service testing and flight training. Of these, one went to Burma and one to Alaska, while several others were assigned to the U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and British Royal Navy. They showed such promise that the USAAF ordered 100 R-4Bs.

The R-4 was first used in combat in May 1944. In a letter to a friend, Col. Philip G. Cochran, commanding officer of the 1st Air Commando Group, wrote "Today the 'egg-beater' went into action and the damn thing acted like it had good sense."

The R-4B on display was donated to the museum by the University of Illinois in 1967.

TECHNICAL NOTES:
Engine: Warner R-550 of 200 hp
Maximum speed: 75 mph
Cruising speed: 65 mph
Range: 130 miles
Ceiling: 8,000 ft.
Rotor diameter: 38 ft.
Length: 33 ft. 7 3/4 in.
Height: 12 ft. 5 in.
Weight: 2,581 lbs. loaded
Serial number: 43-46506
 
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Slim Pickinz       2/11/2009 11:30:14 PM
I seriously doubt the Canadian Armed Forces will be getting an attack helicopter anytime soon. The Canadian helo role is envisioned primarily as a support and assault transport, and there is no initiative or interest in purchasing offensive helicopter systems because it is not part of Canadian military strategy, nor is there any room in the defense budget for such a large cost as buying aircraft, training crews from scratch, and operating costs of said fleet, as attack helicopters are notoriously expensive to maintain.
The entire CAF is in general too small to operate a seperate attack helo contingent, and really has no need for it, since combat and air support missions are relegated to ground forces and F-18s, and any additional requirements generally can be requested from allied forces, since Canadian troops do not and will not go into combat alone as per defense and foreign policies, and therefore almost all Canadian operations are part of a multi-national UN-sanctioned force.
 
Armed CH-146s are satisfactory for the armed escort role, especially in a relatively low-threat environment such as Afghanistan, compared to conflicts with large numbers of armoured and air defense forces that would necessitate dedicated attack helicopters such as the Apache or Havoc.
 
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