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Going Out With A Bang, Or A Whimper?

July 6, 2009: The government has systematically hunted down demonstration leaders, and those who were using blogs, Twitter and social networking sites to get news out of the country. This has put a halt to large demonstrations in the capital. At least twenty people were killed during the crackdown, several hundred injured and over a thousand arrested. Foreigners, or Iranians working for embassies or foreign news organizations, are being released, as well as the few foreign journalists who were picked up. The government is planning to prosecute many of those arrested, especially those responsible for getting embarrassing (to the government) news out of the country.

The government has, for two decades, been studying the mass revolutions of 1989, and the 1990s, that brought down all those communist dictatorships, and believe they have developed methods of preventing a similar fate for themselves. Unlike the former communist states, the Iranian dictatorship has the loyalty of 20-30 percent of the population. This is where the Revolutionary Guard and Basij come from, and a lot of these guys are willing to die to maintain the clerical dictatorship in Iran. The communists of 1989 had lost most of their true believers, so a mass revolution in Iran will have to be a bloodier affair, and also be a battle between Islamic radicals and moderates (including non-Moslems). The senior clerics appear willing to fight to the death, and their opponents are, more and more, willing to deal with that head on. Meanwhile, no matter how successful the government was in suppressing the demonstrations in the capital, it was a defeat for the government. More people were radicalized, and dissention in the clergy became visible. The Iranian Islamic radicals are losing. Long term, they are lost. But like any tyranny in decline, there's the danger that the clerical dictatorship will go out with a bang, not, as the Soviet Union did, with a whimper. And if it is with a bang, it could be a very loud and destructive bang if the clerics have  nuclear weapons.

Iraq and Afghanistan are officially quiet about the turmoil in Iran, but unofficially both countries would like to see the Iranian Islamic radicals out of power. The current Iranian government lets its radicals interfere with the neighbors, supporting terrorism in both Iraq and Afghanistan. But the neighbors know that any kind of Iranian government would be overbearing and prone to throw its weight around. Iran has been the neighborhood bully for thousands of years, and no one expects that to change, no matter how many times Iran changes governments.

July 5, 2009: The Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qom (ARTQ), which speaks for the majority of senior clerics and religious faculty, issued a statement calling for a new election and denouncing the recent vote, and the violence against protestors. The ARTQ represents rank and file clerics, who have not yet been appointed to the several dozen senior clerical positions that, in effect, control the government. The ARTQ did not represent the views of all these lower ranking clergy, but obviously spoke for a majority.

July 1, 2009: Cell phone text messaging was turned back on in the capital, now that there are no more  demonstrations. But now more senior members of the clergy are criticizing how the government conducted the election, and doubting the legitimacy of the vote count. This includes the aggrieved loser, Mir Hossein Mousavi (who is not a cleric, but a politician who led the government during the 1980s) and former president Mohammad Khatami. Now the government has a rebellion within its ruling elite.

June 29, 2009: Police released five of the British embassy employees it had arrested, in response to many European nations threats to recall their ambassadors, but says some of the embassy employees will be put on trial. The government warned the opposition that there would be more arrests and violence if the demonstrations did not stop. The demonstrations have diminished, but they still occur. There are fewer people in the crowds, as the government terror tactics have worked. Cell phone text messaging was turned back on in most of the country, except the capital.

June 28, 2009: Police and Basij are now raiding hospitals to arrest injured demonstrators who are being treated for injuries. Many suspected demonstration leaders are being arrested at home at night, to increase the terror effect, and discourage others from leading demonstrations. Government voting officials announced that they had done a partial recount and that the outcome was the same, and that there was no voting fraud. The government then called for an end to demonstrations. But the demonstrations continued, this time using different tactics (like just silently moving down a street towards a government building or a mosque.) These demonstrations are attacked by police anyway.  

June 27, 2009:  The Basij and Revolutionary Guards were sent into the wealthier neighborhoods of north Tehran and invaded homes where people were chanting anti-government slogans from the rooftop. This has been going on at night for several days. This was a tactic used thirty years ago to bring down the monarchy. The Basij terror tactics against families who are chanting has reduced the number of people doing this. The police and Revolutionary Guard have also arrested over 200 of the usual suspects (known leaders of opposition groups.) These are interrogated to obtain more names. Police also arrested nine Iranian employees of the British embassy, and accused them of fomenting riots and disorder.

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ker       7/6/2009 4:36:24 PM
Yugoslavia's War of Devolution were moderated by N.A.T.O. involvement.  Iraq's War of Devolution didn't quite happen, again due to intervention of Western forces.  (Would Saddam still rule if OIF had not happened or would other events intervened?) Iran should not expect similar assistance.  Too many square miles and too many mountains.  Not enough success on the part of the Kurdish fighters (absence of a no fly zone). 
 
Wile Americans won't be buying in to the game AQ or it's cousins will.  Not a pretty future. There are worse things than an American occupation. 
 
Nukes are a side show.  Clean up of facility and mobile materials are issues but there frosting and not cake.  In the end the Iranian Nuke ambition will look far more like that South Africa's than that of, say, India.  It's Decadence. 
 
We have seen Iran play the IED game on offense.  How will they play defense?  Will they have the quality of personnel and material to emulate American responses or will they just send out children with garden implements and a song in their hearts?  They have done it before.
 
When the big question is "will you obey this government to prevent a war?" you get large numbers of passive people.  When events change questions people behave differently.  "Will you obey this government now that they have failed to prevent civil war?" is a question that provokes a very different response. 
 
Putting sticks in the streets is considerably easier than keeping the lights on and gas available for sale in the stations.  How robust is Iran's drinking watter infrastructure?
 
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Moon Man    More than 20 Killed   7/7/2009 9:35:17 PM
I'd just like to note that the "20" dead is the "official" figure, and probably it's only that high because close to twenty people have actually been filmed being killed and been uploaded to the Net.
About a week after the election Hospitals in Tehran were reporting 30-40 killed, and they were just the ones that made it to the hospital. Reports have been saying that the Authorities are taking bodies out of the hospitals and the streets to hide the number of people killed. The final toll will probably be closer to a hundred, maybe even more.
 
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cwDeici       7/9/2009 10:19:17 AM

I'd just like to note that the "20" dead is the "official" figure, and probably it's only that high because close to twenty people have actually been filmed being killed and been uploaded to the Net.

About a week after the election Hospitals in Tehran were reporting 30-40 killed, and they were just the ones that made it to the hospital. Reports have been saying that the Authorities are taking bodies out of the hospitals and the streets to hide the number of people killed. The final toll will probably be closer to a hundred, maybe even more.



My personal estimate would be hundredds killed, thousands wounded and jailed.
 
Great post Ker!
 
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cwDeici       7/9/2009 10:21:11 AM
That's several thousand wounded AND several thousand imprisoned of course, though I guess you can double up the wounded category for anyone who has to go to prison.
 
I know some Christians who've been to Iranian jail and torture. They're real mean.
 
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cwDeici       7/10/2009 2:10:30 PM
The Iranian legal system and jailors that is. They like to beat up dissidents who'd rather be elsewhere for some reason. Maybe afraid they'll come back some day or raise the truth about them outside.
 
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ker       7/13/2009 4:06:00 PM






 





My personal estimate would be hundredds killed, thousands wounded and jailed.

 

Great post Ker!


Well I made one eror.  The mine clearing children ( called Rangers or something like that after transaltion ) didn't have that much in the way of garden implements.  They had uniforms and boots.  This was in the latter stages of the Iran Iraq war.
As for a roll of marters from the protests lets just say it's big enough. 
 
I talk to a guy last week who said there were truck loads of boddys hauled out of the citys.  But I should say that he was talking about the rioits after MLK was shoot (1968).  Probbly exageration.
 
What interests me more than the number killed already is the hit lists the goverment is finalizing.  You can kill some of the people all of the time but you can't kill all of the people all of the time or no one will taxes.  This could be seen as reeling in a fish with out braking the line.  Better restrain a little during the event and then make up for it slowly over time.  That way there is no satelight photo evedence of trucks full of boddys.  No one witness knows the scope of the whole oporation. 
 
Thanks cwDeici
 
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