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March 7, 2009: Western nations have told Russia and China that if they arm Iran with modern weapons, there will be consequences. China has an incentive to back off here, because a stronger Iran threatens China's oil supplies. Russia, however, would benefit by Iranian attempts to shut down oil shipments from the Gulf (if only temporarily, to make a political point), as the price of oil would shoot up, to the benefit of Russian oil sales. Russia is currently holding back on the sale of nearly a billion dollars worth of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran. Russia has been holding off on this deal for several years, squeezing more and more favors and concessions out of the West. Iran is not happy about not getting its missiles, but Iran doesn't have the clout to force the sale to happen.

While Iran supports lots of terrorism, it doesn't let Iranian operatives get their hands dirty too often. Iran does spend a lot of money on incitement. Western efforts to halt Iranian subsidized hate (of the West, Jews, Israel, non-Shia Moslems, etc) broadcasts,  is concentrating on Iranian sponsored hate satellite broadcasts (by TV networks al Manar and al Aqsa). This is hard core stuff, encouraging children to hate non-Moslems and become suicide bombers. Western nations have gotten Iranian sponsored hate cable off most satellite broadcast systems, but French and Arab satellite owners still take the money and broadcast the hate to Moslems in the West. Meanwhile, Iran is having an even bigger problem keeping Western entertainment out of Iran. With so many young Iranians learning English, DVDs or satellite broadcasts of American TV shows are very popular. This sort of entertainment is forbidden in Iran, but it cannot be stopped.

Iran practices the intolerance and hate that it preaches. Recently, Sufi (a mystical Moslem sect) religious shrines were destroyed. More Bahai (a new religion, with Moslem roots, that emerged in Iran in the 19th century) are being arrested and accused of spying for Israel, or whatever. Sunni Moslems continue to be persecuted, as they have been for over 500 years. The government has been more actively violent against anyone who does not practice the state approved Shia version of Islam. This is supposed to distract Iranians from how badly the government is running the economy.

The UN admits that it has not, and cannot, stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. However, UN officials believe they are slowing Iran down a bit.

Iran is negotiating a deal to export natural gas, via a pipeline, to Bahrain. These talks were halted after an Iranian politician reminded everyone that he, like many Iranians, considered Bahrain the 14th province of Iran. That's because, well, it isn't called the "Persian" Gulf for nothing (although since all the oil money showed up, the Arabs have been trying to popularize the term "Arabian Gulf," with mixed success). There have been ethnic Iranian communities on Bahrain for centuries, and Iran had a formal claim on the island until 1969 (when the claim was dropped, in order to improve relations with Arab neighbors). Iran has always been an empire, and still is (only half the population is ethnic Iranian). The way this works, you always have a sense of "Greater Iran" which includes, at the least, claims on any nearby areas containing ethnic Iranians. Hitler used this concept to guide his strategy during World War II.

There are about 400,000 Iranians living in Los Angeles, California. Could that be the 15th province? Probably not, but Bahrain got very upset when these claims were revived. The Iranian government officially denounced such claims, but apparently many Iranians have not forgotten. Arabs are not very happy about  that, and have responded by pointing out that Iran was Sunni until 500 years ago, and was forced to convert, on pain of death, by a Shia emperor (who killed about a million of his subjects in the process.) Saudi Arabia is trying, with some success, to organize Arab resistance to Iranian expansionist moves. Iran has responded by encouraging the Shia minorities on the west side of the Gulf to demonstrate their unhappiness with their minority status.

Less conservative candidates like former president (with 80 percent of the vote) Mohammed Khatami are running for president again, against incumbent conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The vote is in June, and the campaign is expected to get ugly. Already, the state Internet control department has been blocking Iranian access to pro-Khatami foreign web sites.

Iran has officially admitted what everyone already knew, that Iranian ballistic missiles could hit Israeli nuclear weapons sites. This is one reason Israel has developed an anti-missile missile system. Iran does not have such a capability, but is trying to buy one (advanced versions of the S-300 system) from Russia.

American efforts to negotiate anything with Iran eventually stumble over Iranian refusal to change its policy of seeking world domination for the Shia form of Islam. This desire to rule the world, in God's Name, underlies all that the current Iranian government does. Beyond that, Iran has been top dog in the region for thousands of years. Most Iranians can relate to that. The last few centuries have been rough, with the Turks throwing Iran out of what is now Iraq, and the Europeans destroying the lucrative Silk Road (between the Middle East and China) with their cheaper (to move goods to and from China)  tall ships and other new technologies. Iran would like to make a comeback. Having nukes to back up those ambitions would be a big help.

Morocco has cut its diplomatic ties with Iran, over Iranian claims that Bahrain was a lost 14th province of Iran. Meanwhile, a free-trade agreement has been signed with Serbia, to increase trade between the two countries. Serbia has always been hospitable to Iranian weapons and technology smuggling operations, and this new agreement will only reinforce that.

Iran has moved three more brigades of troops to the Pakistani border. This reinforces the half million troops already manning the borders with Pakistan and Afghanistan. The enemy here is drug smugglers and Sunni terrorists. The Iranian Sunnis have long been persecuted. There are, for example, no legal Sunni mosques in Iran. Most Iranian Sunnis (there are a million or so of them) keep their heads down. But those belonging to the Baluchi tribes along the Pakistani border, have been increasingly violent. That includes kidnapping or killing Iranian police and border guards. Now, apparently, Iran plans to get really rough with the Baluchi tribes.

February 25, 2009:  The first Iranian nuclear plant went live, for testing purposes. The testing will go on for up to six months, then the plant will plug into the electrical grid and begin producing power.

February 22, 2009:  British officials revealed that Iranian diplomats had offered to halt support for terrorist attacks on British troops in Iraq, if Britain stopped pressuring Iran to halt its nuclear weapons program. Such deals have been hinted at in talks with Americans, but the Iranians know that the U.S. is much stricter about not making deals with terrorists. Europeans are more open minded in that regard.

February 18, 2009:  A bomb went off in a Shia mosque in the east, near the Pakistani border.  No one was injured. Sunni terrorists were suspected.

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jak267       3/7/2009 5:53:57 AM
Let's not forget (as our new President has) that Iran is responsible for the murders of 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq.
 
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CJH       3/7/2009 10:59:40 AM
How do Iranian plans for any form of hegemony play in Russia?
Perhaps Russia is just an artificial empire which will conveniently disintigrate (or convert) in time.
 
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CJH       3/7/2009 11:00:52 AM

Let's not forget (as our new President has) that Iran is responsible for the murders of 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq.
What response to these murders would be most appropriate?

 
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warpig       3/7/2009 12:24:59 PM



Let's not forget (as our new President has) that Iran is responsible for the murders of 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq.

What response to these murders would be most appropriate?





Well, if there reasonably appears to be some connection between the terrorists who killed our troops and any part of the Iranian government, then I'd say a formal declaration of war on Iran would be a good start.
 
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Beazz       3/7/2009 3:58:16 PM







Let's not forget (as our new President has) that Iran is responsible for the murders of 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq.



What response to these murders would be most appropriate?












Well, if there reasonably appears to be some connection between the terrorists who killed our troops and any part of the Iranian government, then I'd say a formal declaration of war on Iran would be a good start.



Followed by the total elimination of every Iranian city with a population of 50 or more ;-)
 
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Photon       3/7/2009 4:50:25 PM

Well, if there reasonably appears to be some connection between the terrorists who killed our troops and any part of the Iranian government, then I'd say a formal declaration of war on Iran would be a good start.


Followed by the total elimination of every Iranian city with a population of 50 or more ;-)

The historically proven means of dealing with the Iranian power was shown by the Mongols during their series of empire-busting conquests -- from the destruction of Khwarezm to the Abbassid Caliphate.  Induce mass terror by completely annihilating some cities to set as an example.  Destroy local economy by going after infrastructures (in the 13th century, the key infrastructures were irrigations).  Wipe out as many males as possible, while the females may have some value.
 
Hmmm ... perhaps the US should covertly aid Iran to do something horrible to Israel, for example.  In that way, the US then has the pretext to nuke Iran and turn it into rubbish.
 
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cwDeici       3/8/2009 4:27:03 PM
They botched the tail-end of the job by taking Muslims slaves and wives. The rest is history.
 
And shame, don't suggest betraying allies for end benefit of all good. The Brits might have done it in World War II, but it's still controversial if they did.
 
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mustavaris       3/9/2009 3:10:09 AM
You sleep with a snake in the bed and worry about the lion in the next room?
 
The real hate mongers and the real enemy of the West are the Wahhabi radicals supported by the KSA. If you follow the news from Europe, you ain´t hearing about Shiia mosques where the radical ideas are spread, but about Sunni mosques in which the Saudi supported clerics spread their hatred against the West, democracy, Shiias whomever. Even in Finland there are mosques which are de facto no-go zones for Shiias who ain´t willing to abandon their faith. When Iranians are involved with war, terror or propaganda, it is very firmly attached to realpolitik as Iran has been the local great power for over two millenias - only the initial Arab conquest and the Mongol onslaught changed that for some time. Despite being often ruled by non-Iranic leaders, Iran has always been an important player in the region. We are not seeing radical Shii´ism being spread and growing cancerous tumours into our societies - if and when the Iranians are operating, it is just like CIA/Mossad/GRU/KGB/et cetera while claiming to have some kind of righteousness ("democracy", "liberty", "socialism") supporting their actions while the reasons for the action itself are practical, not truly ideological. But the radical Wahhabis supported by KSA, are waging a holy war with god on their side...  and the attacks by these wackos outnumber the attacks by Shiia groups by an enormous margin. In case of Europe, the Leftist groups have always commited a greater number and more disastrous attacks than the Shiias (in fact, I am not aware of single Shiia terror strike) whle the Wahhabis are caught red handed every now and then. Over and over again.
 
Iran supports PoG, Syria and Hamas because they fight Israel - and I.R.I. regime knows that Israel could attack them if the Israelis see that the threat has grown grave enough. Iraq is in their backyard, and the majority of the people are Shiias, it is natural that they try to gain influence there. When the Shiia groups were talked to, and given a way to influence the governance, the violence started to die out - did it not? Besides, not all of the Shiia groups were Iranian backed as the Iraqi Shiias are Arabs while only a fraction of Iranian people are Arabs.. and this ain´t an insignificant issue.  
 
It is better to keep your enemy busy with your proxies. The regime also needs an external enemy because the Iranians are very nationalistic and gather under the banners of the Islamic Republic if and when they are threatened - the Iraqi-Iranian war was a clear example of this. They are or are not developing nuclear weapons - we really cannot know it - but the regime needs antagonism in order to survive.  The moment this antagonism dies is the moment of clarity when it should be obvious that Israel and Iran should be natural allies in the region: the real enemies are the Arabs. Iran has no single real reason to cause harm to Israel, excl. the regime need to find the adversary, the need to put up some "Muslim brotherhood"-gloss and to balance on the edge by keeping the Israelis busy and engaged while not proviking them too hard.
 
I advice everyone to study about Iranian (Persian) history, they are masters of disguise and diplomacy while also a martial nation.. when the Greek stopped their advance it did not took too many years before they had destroyed Greek unity without any weapons and secured their possessions in current Turkey... which the Greek had tried to challenge. You are dealing with a civilization which spans over millenias - not with some semi-barbarians whose grandfathers were still camel herders.
 
 
 
 
 
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Chris       3/9/2009 6:57:21 PM
The UN admits that it has not, and cannot, stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. However, UN officials believe they are slowing Iran down a bit.
 
According to the 2007 NIE, Iran stopped their nuclear weapon program years ago.
 
American efforts to negotiate anything with Iran eventually stumble over Iranian refusal to change its policy of seeking world domination for the Shia form of Islam.
 
American efforts to negotiate anything with Iran were poisoned by the Bush Administration adding them to the so-called "axis of evil" after Iran gave us a lot of help preparing for the Afghan campaign, and made it clear that they were very interested in resolving the problems of the past and normalizing relations with the United States.  Iran, even according to Bush Administration documents, has been very responsive to diplomatic efforts on the part of the US.  So this statement is pretty misleading.
 
Iran would like to make a comeback. Having nukes to back up those ambitions would be a big help.
 
Iran is making a huge comeback thanks to the Bush Administration removing their arch enemy (Saddam Hussein) for them.  In effect, President Bush did them a huge favor.  But adding them to the "axis orf evil" and implying that they were next was self defeating, because all that would ultimately do is encourage them to build nukes as fast as possible because they were directly threatened by the President of the United States.
 
And they would've been really stupid to not take every possible action to protect themselves.
 
 
 
 
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sclayton    400,000 "Iranians" in LA?   3/9/2009 7:45:14 PM
The writer claims,  "There are about 400,000 Iranians living in Los Angeles, California."  
 
Even assuming that is an accurate number, the majority of those people are US citizens. 
People from Iran make good American citizens. 
 
link
 
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mustavaris       3/10/2009 1:50:57 AM
Iranians are among the most succesful groups in USA - and it has to be remembered when the fear is being tried to be invoked that many if not the most are immigrants and their children who escaped from Iran during and after the Islamic revolution because of the revolution. Thus, their loyalty towards I.R.I. is questionable, and many seem to be openly against the regime.
 
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bropous       3/10/2009 10:21:00 AM
Right, and to face down the Iranian threat we have a Marxist Muslim Fraud sitting in the White House without the sense to either listen to his generals, or to put capable people in the command structure who respect the military.
 
My big fear is that Iran is hell-bent on an EMP burst-attack on the continental US, not that it is aiming to incinerate Tel Aviv.  President Amoeba's recent attempts to "open the door' to Iran is a signal to the bloodthirsty Mullahs that now is the time to increase their operational tempo, NOT slow it down.  We will probably see some harassment of shipping in the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea in an attempt to gin up the oil prices to help themselves and their Russian masters, an uptick in Iranian "outreach" and "cultural exchanges" in the Mid-East and Africa, and an increased pressure on US miltary assets from attacks on the logistics train into Afghanistan to a ramp-up in pressure to undermine and destabilize Iraq, the neighbor they view with the greatest fear.
 
When the Magic Muslim Idiot gets finised with US foreign policy, I just wonder how many dead US civilians will be on the statistics of his failed, disastrous maladministration.
 
America screwed itself, and each and every ally of ours, in the most blatant act of overt racism in US history, voting for a president based on skin color and not on experience or policies.  Lots of us kept warning what this anti-American clown was going to do, but were dismissed as alarmists or racists because we dared question his Assumption.
 
Obammy can go to hell, as can each and every person who voted for the illegitimate charade.
 
I jsut hope we have a nation left for the next president to repair.
 
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bropous       3/10/2009 10:31:44 AM
Chris above is your typical pro-Mullah Useful Idiot.  We hurt their weedle feewings so they are now justified to continue their terror campaigns, let's not pay attention to the fact that the Taliban as well as al-Qaeda have DEEP connections to the Iranian regime.
 
Oh, and your little reference to the NIE LIE that the Iranians have abandoned their nuclear program really removes any facade of credibility you attempted to put forth.  The NIE's assemblage was slanted by Iranian double agents who claimed to have "defected" to the West (such as the Iranian Revolutionary Guards general who appeared in Istanbul with his entire family, when every Iranian diplomat and military officer oversease has their families held hostage as insurance for their good behavior).
 
So, you're either a paid agent of the Iranian terror regime ("Chris"?  Nah, more like Nasir), or paid agent of the OsamaObama propaganda machine that pays people to flood blogs with pro-Obammy BS.
 
No matter what you are, "Chris", you carry water for the enemies of the United States, and the enemies of freedom.
 
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Chris       3/10/2009 4:05:47 PM

Chris above is your typical pro-Mullah Useful Idiot.  We hurt their weedle feewings so they are now justified to continue their terror campaigns, let's not pay attention to the fact that the Taliban as well as al-Qaeda have DEEP connections to the Iranian regime.

 

Oh, and your little reference to the NIE LIE that the Iranians have abandoned their nuclear program really removes any facade of credibility you attempted to put forth.  The NIE's assemblage was slanted by Iranian double agents who claimed to have "defected" to the West (such as the Iranian Revolutionary Guards general who appeared in Istanbul with his entire family, when every Iranian diplomat and military officer oversease has their families held hostage as insurance for their good behavior).

 

So, you're either a paid agent of the Iranian terror regime ("Chris"?  Nah, more like Nasir), or paid agent of the OsamaObama propaganda machine that pays people to flood blogs with pro-Obammy BS.

 

No matter what you are, "Chris", you carry water for the enemies of the United States, and the enemies of freedom.


Apparently you have nothing to add to the discussion, so you go for sophmoric insults instead of having a clue of what you are talking about, or a basic grasp of the facts.  Argue the FACTS.  Argue the topic.  But your insults don't impress me or anyone else with an IQ above that of a lightbulb.
And while you're at it, show some respect for the President of the United States of America.  According to the supporters of the Bush Administration years ago, if you called into question any action on the part of that president, you are anti-America, anti-military, and unpatriotic (gee: did that since change because the creeps that brought disaster to our country were voted out of office in disgrace?).
I realize the the NIE demonstrates in this point the unanimous opinion of all 16 of our national intelligence agencies, but you'd rather believe the garbage you've been fed by Faux News, Limbaugh, or other questionable "sources" of information.  Demonstrate WHY the NIE is wrong.  Provide REFERENCES to why it is wrong and YOU are right.  I want to know if you have any independantly considered thoughts in your head.
 
As far as deep connections of the Taliban and Al Queda: you are displaying ignorance:
-  The Iranans had a number of their diplomats and their families MURDERED by the Taliban.  It is true they retain some contact, because they are pragmatists and they deal with REALITY as opposed to some that prefer to live in their little dream world.
-  The Iranians have a fundamental disconnect with Al Queda because even AQ is far too extreme for them, but you demonstrate you know little about that nation.  The Iranians actually want to be part of the respected nations on the planet, and have (even according to Bush Administration documents) responded positively to diplomatic overtures. Also, note that there are always rogue elements in every government, and even Iran doesn't have control over all of them - it is simply a dangerous enighborhood.  Again, they are simply being pragmatic.
 
So c'mon: demonstrate that you have the capability to argue the topic as opposed to your unimpressive, childish rant.  Demonstrate why the 2007 NIE is wrong with something stronger than "because I said so".
 
 
 
 
 
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mustavaris       3/10/2009 4:38:25 PM
AQ is not "too radical" for Iran, but AQ is Sunni extremist Wahhabi/Salafist group which considers Shiias to be heretics, the same applies to Taliban who are also heavily connected to Sunni extremists. Taliban and AQ are sworn enemies of Iran. Iranians have supported the nationalist Sunni groups, and Hamas is the closest call to Sunni extremism - and Hamas while extreme, it is not comparable to Taliban or AQ. In fact, if you look at Pakistan and Iraq the brunt of AQ/Taliban violence has been directed against the Shiias...
 
 
 
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