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Computer Controlled 40mm Grenade

March 2, 2009: The U.S. is slowly replacing its 1960s era Mk19 40mm grenade launchers with a lighter and more effective Mk47 model. The replacement program is moving slowly, with the army still ordering Mk19s (6,000 new ones are being manufactured), even while several thousand Mk47s are being introduced. The Mk47 is lighter (40 pounds) than the 77 pound Mk19. It is a little more compact, and has the electronic sighting and arming system which enables the gunner to determine the distance of the target (with a laser range finder), then push a button to have the weapon electronically program each shell, just before it is fired, for the number of seconds until the shell will explode, at the proper range from the gun, and above the enemy troops. If the time fuze does not work, the shell explodes when it hits something.

Both these 40mm weapons have a max range of 2,000 meters (and an effective range of about 1,500 meters). The Mk19 weapon, with a tripod, weigh 136 pounds, while each 48 round magazine weighs 60 pounds. The Mk19 effective rate of fire is about one round per second, and is usually fired in short (a few rounds) bursts of these 19 ounce grenades (which kill or incapacitate most people with six meters of the explosion and can wound at twice that). The Mk19 is more complex than your usual machine-gun, expensive (about $20,000 each) and jams more frequently (once every thousand rounds, compared to once every 10,000 rounds for the M2 12.7mm machine-gun.). But it is reliable enough to remain popular and in demand. The lighter Mk47 costs about 50 percent more, and is about as reliable as the Mk19.

The U.S. Navy developed the Mk19 in the 1970s, for use on river and coastal patrol boats. The army adopted the weapon in the early 1980s, but it wasn't until the 1991 Gulf War that the Mk19 saw much action. Or at least some action. Users noted that the Mk19 was very effective out in the open, not so much in urban areas. In 2003, when the army and marines encountered much more combat out in the open, they found the Mk19 to be very valuable, more so than machine-guns.

What really makes the Mk47 different is the Mk285 40mm shells, each equipped with a time fuze. Normally only used in larger artillery shells, a time fuze in 40mm grenades makes it easier to get at enemy troops on roof tops or behind walls. These shells, which cost $213 each, can only be used with the Mk47. This first troops to get the Mk47 were U.S. NAVY SEALS, and other SOCOM troops.

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gf0012-aust       3/2/2009 5:33:52 AM
very nice piece of kit.  I was lucky enough to get a look at one bought in for an australian military conference in oct 08
 
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dba       3/2/2009 1:52:51 PM
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40 mm L70 main gun on K21 from South Korea has several modes: 
proximity, air burst, armor-piercing and fragmentation.

I wonder if MK47 could be modified to have similar features.   
 
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gf0012-aust       3/2/2009 11:41:10 PM


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40 mm L70 main gun on K21 from South Korea has several modes: 
proximity, air burst, armor-piercing and fragmentation.
I wonder if MK47 could be modified to have similar features.   

it already does....
 
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dba       3/3/2009 3:36:33 AM
Good to know.

According to the article on ST, MK47 didn't have all of the capabilities.  Incomplete article? 
 
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gf0012-aust       3/3/2009 4:29:20 AM

Good to know.
According to the article on ST, MK47 didn't have all of the capabilities.  Incomplete article? 

I asked the same questions in October.  I was shown the weapon system complete and then stripped down, and ease of field maint/use issues.  I was advised then that the capability existed and that it was a munitions issue rather than a capability issue and that those sets of munitions had been successfully trialled.

either the guy was talking out his hat and clueless, or the article is skating on the edges of accuracy.  either way, I was impressed with the production side of the shop, and based on a couple of days of return conversations, can't see any reason why it can't be fitted with other munitions types already in service.

 
 
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WarNerd       3/3/2009 7:19:38 AM

40 mm L70 main gun on K21 from South Korea has several modes: 
proximity, air burst, armor-piercing and fragmentation.

I wonder if MK47 could be modified to have similar features. 

The 40mm L70 is a 40mm high velocity autocannon.  Muzzle velocity is probably around 1,000 m/sec and the projectile weight around 2 lbs / 1 kg.
 
The Mk47 is a 40mm grenade machinegun.  Muzzle velocity is around 240 m/sec and the cartridge weight around 0.33 kg.
 
Obviously, these 2 weapons have very little in common beyond the bore size.

 
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dba       3/4/2009 5:15:35 PM





40 mm L70 main gun on K21 from South Korea has several modes: 


proximity, air burst, armor-piercing and fragmentation.



I wonder if MK47 could be modified to have similar features. 




The 40mm L70 is a 40mm high velocity autocannon.  Muzzle velocity is probably around 1,000 m/sec and the projectile weight around 2 lbs / 1 kg.

 

The Mk47 is a 40mm grenade machinegun.  Muzzle velocity is around 240 m/sec and the cartridge weight around 0.33 kg.

 

Obviously, these 2 weapons have very little in common beyond the bore size.


 
Understood.  My question is whether the MK47 round can have proximity fuse option.  Looks like the Mk47 will explode midair only when target info is fed via laser targeting?  The L70 40mm supposedly has proximity fuse so it can actually be used in anti-aircraft (mainly slow/low ones) role...  I guess Mk47 round won't have that feature since it's smaller?


 
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WarNerd       3/5/2009 6:10:04 AM

Understood.  My question is whether the MK47 round can have proximity fuse option.  Looks like the Mk47 will explode midair only when target info is fed via laser targeting?  The L70 40mm supposedly has proximity fuse so it can actually be used in anti-aircraft (mainly slow/low ones) role...  I guess Mk47 round won't have that feature since it's smaller?

Correct, the proximity fuse probably weighs more than the grenade.
 
The MK47 lacks the range, velocity, and fragmentation to be a practical anti-aircraft weapon anyway. 
 
Against ground targets a proximity fuse is of little value except for indirect fire applications (i.e. artillery and mortars), where it is invaluable.  If used for direct fire a proximity fuse will detonate the round as soon as it senses a large enough signal return, like a tree, fence, or a rise in the ground. 
 
The "laser targeting" based rounds you refer to actually only use the laser to determine the precise range, a computer program then determines the number of revolutions the grenade will make (40mm grenade launchers are rifled) to travel that distance and programs the fuse.  You can also tell the computer to detonate at shorter or longer distances, to hit only targets on one side of a wall or to punch through before detonating.  This capability is so useful that it is being incorporated into most new fuse designs.
 
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