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Sea Transportation: The Chinese 30mm Solution To The Pirate Threat
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July 10, 2011:  A Chinese firm is now offering a single barrel version (AK-130) of their multi (6-10) barrel CIWS (Close In Weapons System) for defending against missiles and small boats. The AK-1030 is the ten barrel version of the older AK-730 (seven barrel) and AK-630 (six barrel) systems. All fire 30mm shells at an effective range of four or more kilometers. These are similar to the older American 20mm Phalanx. With a max range of 2-3 kilometers, the original Phalanx was designed to be aimed using the ship's fire control systems. Now, Phalanx, and all other CIWS, have their own radar and fire control system and, once turned on, will automatically fire at any incoming missiles. This is necessary, as some anti-ship missiles travel at over a 500 meters a second.

The single barrel AK-130 is meant for naval support ships, or large merchant ships. This would be for protection from pirates or terrorists. The merchant seamen would not need a lot of training to use the AK-130, since the system can automatically detect and take aim at likely targets. If not on automatic mode, the operator (probably an officer, on a merchant ship) would fire via a mouse click using a PC linked to the CIWS. The AK-130, weighing less than a ton, can be bolted to the deck, one on each side, or just one near the bow (front of the ship). While costing over a million dollars each, the AK-130s could be transferred to the growing number of Chinese navy support ships once the Somali pirate threat is gone. Meanwhile, the AK-130 would be a worthwhile investment to protect larger tankers and cargo ships operating in the Indian Ocean.

 

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WarNerd       7/10/2011 3:09:11 PM
Put them out on the ends of the bridge wings.  That way they can hit the pirates even after they have pulled up next to the hull. Most successful piracy happens when the pirates get in close, and even board, before the ship’s crew knows they are there.
 
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phrank       7/10/2011 6:11:53 PM
This is never going to happen to a merchant ship. The insurance companies would have a stroke.
 
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WarNerd       7/10/2011 9:23:33 PM
This is never going to happen to a merchant ship. The insurance companies would have a stroke.
The insurance companies will fight it, but eventually lose.
The Chinese, being more practical and less politically correct, will arm their merchant ships, though maybe not this well, and be able to sail the pirate areas more-or-less unmolested. The rest of the nations shipping will gradually, or maybe not so gradually, pull out of those areas as seamen refuse to work the routes, and China’s merchant marine trade increases exponentially as other nations drop.
The other major merchant nations can see the writing-on-the-wall, and will inform the their insurers (usually nationally based) that they will permit, and possibly encourage, the arming of merchant vessels, or find themselves without customers and/or a job.
 
It's all about money.
 
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phrank       7/10/2011 11:59:00 PM
Well I would say that the first mistake that results in the death of someone who at least say's they are innocent will result in a lawsuit that will end that. Right now some navies let the pirates go, we have can't even seem to be able to punish the people that deserve anymore because we are so afraid of looking bad. I mean you stop a small boat full of guys out in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of guns and somehow there is a doubt about what they are doing? Kill them! Soon you will run out of pirates.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/11/2011 12:50:15 AM
Seapower comes out of the barrel of a gun. Whose court will that be in again?
 
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phrank       7/11/2011 2:56:23 AM
LOL right now real power is in the courtrooms of the world. We ask lawyers before we drop bombs many times to see if it is legal. We don't attack a target because it is next to a school or hospital. Like I said first time someone shoots a boat full of civies there will be a hue and cry about it. If you are manning one of those guns and you hear that someone was taken to court because of a mistaken target would you shoot?
 
 
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doggtag    perhaps...   7/11/2011 6:06:53 PM
...if a few more self-annointed  voices of reason in the world (these questionable lawyers) feel it's their place to dictate what's morally right and wrong on the field of war (land, sea, or air),
perhaps governments could start drafting the lawyers, assigning them to be the point man on every little scuffle we get involved in around the world (it's always easier to preach, dictate, and lecture to other
when you're hiding in comfortable safety behind those of us who've actually gone out there and defended their right to do so)...
 
Perhaps if a few lawyers get the same "treatment" by adversaries that Daniel Pearl did,
maybe a few of the surviving ones will wake the hell up and realize that every living person in this world doesn't hold to the same morals and ethics,
and that some people literally are scum-o'-the-earth that just don't respect any other laws except the barrel of a gun (in whatever caliber gets the job done).
 
Let 'em preach their laws of warfare stuff to someone the likes of those pirates or other militant groups who have little compassion for their hostages beyond what ransom they can bring in.
Then we'll see how eager they are to stand up and defend those poor helpless pirates that the greedy western military inductrial complex "victimized" in their own worldly quests for dominion over nations and men.
 
(/s off...)
 
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RedParadize       7/11/2011 8:38:52 PM
Hi doggtag
 
"Lawyers" you are talking about don't really care about whats right or wrong, they are not defending the right of the poor pirate or anything like that. They care about the laws and political consequence. They are there to make sure that law of engagement have been followed etc... Ya the guys that wrote the law of engagement is most likely a lawyer too, but his concern is not the fate of the enemy. He just want his boss to be reelected.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/11/2011 11:02:21 PM

LOL right now real power is in the courtrooms of the world. We ask lawyers before we drop bombs many times to see if it is legal. We don't attack a target because it is next to a school or hospital. Like I said first time someone shoots a boat full of civies there will be a hue and cry about it. If you are manning one of those guns and you hear that someone was taken to court because of a mistaken target would you shoot?
 

No we don't. If we did, bin Laden would on trial and so would be  Nichoilas Sarkozy, and  David Cameron fopr much ther same reason. The last three American presidents would be in the dock with them. Could add about another forty or fifty world leaders to that total of indictables easy. 

H.

     

 
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WarNerd       7/12/2011 4:42:19 AM
LOL right now real power is in the courtrooms of the world. We ask lawyers before we drop bombs many times to see if it is legal. We don't attack a target because it is next to a school or hospital. Like I said first time someone shoots a boat full of civies there will be a hue and cry about it. If you are manning one of those guns and you hear that someone was taken to court because of a mistaken target would you shoot?
Fine, but if the people doing the shooting are Chinese then their government will insist that the trial will have to be in a Chinese court room, not American or the Hague.
 
Of course you can still win, if you bribe enough of the right people.
 
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