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Things Are Not Going Well In Russia

September 7, 2009: Things are not going well in the Russian armed forces. Violence (by officers and NCOs against troops, and troops beating on each other) and corruption (over 500 officers prosecuted last year) continue to increase. So far this year, there have been 181 non-combat deaths among the million troops of the armed forces. Most are suicides or the result of sloppiness in handling weapons or equipment. Some of this is due to poor training, but often the deceased was drunk at the time of his demise. Hundreds of officers are prosecuted each year for physically abusing their troops. There are many more cases of troops injuring each other, usually as a result of bullying. Thousands of troops end up requiring medical care each year because of all this.

Meanwhile, the Russian armed forces are going through a tremendous reorganization, which involves firing or retiring over 120,000 officers (leaving over 200,000 still in uniform) and eliminating thousands of headquarters (which used to provide employment for many of the dismissed officers). The army will now use the brigade as the basic unit (instead of the division, which had been the case for over a century). Most Western nations had already adopted the brigade type structure, something which the Russians were considering even before the Cold War ended in 1989. Meanwhile, the conscription period has gone from two years to one. This means many more troops must be drafted to maintain strength. But a growing number of potential conscripts are drug addicts, have criminal records or are in lousy physical shape. The military considers the addicts hopeless, but you can usually do something with the thugs and wimps. Unfortunately, the thugs often end up beating the crap out of the wimps, and anyone else who seems weak.

The Russians want an all-volunteer forces, but has lacked the money to replace all conscripts with higher quality, and more highly paid, volunteers. But first, they have to create an effective number of NCOs (sergeants). After World War II, Russia deliberately avoided developing a professional NCO corps. They preferred to have officers take care of nearly all troop supervision. The NCOs that did exist were treated as slightly more reliable enlisted men, but given little real authority. Since officers did not live with the men, slack discipline in the barracks gave rise to the vicious hazing and exploitation of junior conscripts by the senior, or simply stronger and more ruthless, ones. This led to very low morale, and a lot of suicides, theft, sabotage and desertions. Long recognized as a problem, no solution ever worked.

During the 1990s, when military budgets were cut by over two-thirds, most of the best officers got out, and went on to make their fortunes in the new market economy. That left a lot of career officers who saw no other job prospects. Many turned to corrupt practices to supplement their low military pay. Corruption got out of hand. It's still out of control.

The hazing and corruption in the military is a complex issue. For one thing, Russia does not have military police to deal with this sort of thing. During the Soviet period (1921-91), the KGB kept an eye on criminal activity in the military, but was more concerned with loyalty and espionage. The violence and hazing in the ranks was not seen as a big problem. It is now, because Russians can vote, and the parents of young men getting abused while doing their conscript service, are making a lot of noise over this issue. Taxpayers are more interested in what the military is doing with their money.

For any meaningful change to occur in the military, there has to be a major upgrade in leadership throughout the force. The first step is to get rid of the most troublesome and least effective officers. Money for more NCOs and contract soldiers will have to come out of the existing personnel budget. Sacking most of the existing officers seems like the way to go for solving both of these problems. 

One solution that seems to have made a difference was the installation of video cameras on bases. Since the video is stored, and provides evidence of crimes (which can send troops to prison, which is not a good place to be, even for a tough guy.) But a longer term, and more effective, solution is to convince all officers that the welfare of their troops is really, really important. But first, the culture of corruption within the officers corps has to be eliminated, and that is proving a difficult task.

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Photon       9/7/2009 12:58:53 PM
Perhaps, Russia could use some massive 1937-ish purge, involving military officers once more.  In today's case, round up imbeciles, take them into some deep parts of taiga, then pop bullets into the backs of their heads.  Execute as many of them as possible.
 
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oldsarge       9/7/2009 1:46:08 PM
      It would be interesting to sit back and watch China and Russia go at,regardless The U.S. still has the best equipment,technonolgy and fighting man/women in the world today.
 
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Toosh       9/7/2009 3:38:05 PM
The Russian  military is in terrible shape. Poor training with bad morale combined with junk equipment. In a conventional war China would kick Russia's a** so hard they'd have to take their shirt off to sh**. As some point down the road China will either co-opt or just simply assimilate large portions of far eastern Russia. And maybe more than that if the Russians keep committing demographic suicide. And still Putin talks tough. He's all hat and no cattle.
 
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RtWingCon       9/8/2009 2:09:36 AM

The Russian  military is in terrible shape. Poor training with bad morale combined with junk equipment. In a conventional war China would kick Russia's a** so hard they'd have to take their shirt off to sh**. As some point down the road China will either co-opt or just simply assimilate large portions of far eastern Russia. And maybe more than that if the Russians keep committing demographic suicide. And still Putin talks tough. He's all hat and no cattle.

While Russia is in a transitional funk, they would still fight for their country fiercely. Russia has enough equipment and men and women to bloody the PLA badly. Long enough for Russia to eventually push back(assuming all parties kept nukes out of it). How far would the Chinese move into Russia before they were stopped? There's alot of ground there. Hitler thought he could do it and failed. Would Europe help the Chinese in a pincer movement? Not a chance. So, China and Russia are going to go nuke or have a low level border scrap as in the past. With the oil and minerals Russia has to offer, a land grab by might seem plausable or probable in the future, but by then Russia may very well have turned over their equipment to new stuff and straightened out their army. I think China has her eyes on south asia islands and economic zones that would be created and owned. Easier pickings. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
 
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cwDeici       9/8/2009 2:51:18 AM
Increasing number of reported cases and arrests is a sign the problem is beginning to be dealt with.
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As a resident of Hong Kong my analysis agrees with yours that our interests lie to the south.
 
In regards to Russia however (with the exclusion of NBCs and other specials), the dilapidated state of their land forces would be ameliorated by superior military tradition and technology, but mainly their airforce and navy. Regardless a Chinese mechanized thrust in say 2015 would cut through the thinly populated and defended Siberia and stalemate east of the Urals. With difficulty yes, due to Russian air superiority. However Russian air and naval superiority would eventually lead to a white peace.
 
So it's pointless.
 
For now...
 
 
 
*dun dun dun*
 
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cwDeici       9/8/2009 2:52:32 AM
Replace pointless with = economic disaster for both (especially for China) and PR disaster for China.
 
Might be a bit of a turning point for Russia, or just injure her further.
 
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cwDeici       9/8/2009 2:54:34 AM
The current strategy is actually just to support emigration into the Russian borderlands.
In fact a fairly large amount of Russian borderlands are dominated by Chinese ethnicity and even culture, however I do not believe it extends more than several hundred miles or a thousand or two at the most. Which is just a bargaining chip anyway --- or cause for intervention if Russia ever collapses.
 
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Toosh       9/8/2009 8:50:30 AM

The current strategy is actually just to support emigration into the Russian borderlands.

In fact a fairly large amount of Russian borderlands are dominated by Chinese ethnicity and even culture, however I do not believe it extends more than several hundred miles or a thousand or two at the most. Which is just a bargaining chip anyway --- or cause for intervention if Russia ever collapses.

A generation or two down the road Russia will be small potatoes compared to China. And Russia won't have the population, the money or the power in the far east to stop the Chinese from simply taking it away from them. China will just assimilate it.  At that point it's a fait accompli. And if Russia objects they'll get a damn good beating.
 
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FJV    In reality this is an improvement   9/8/2009 12:32:21 PM
I remember a time when such problems in the Russian army weren't even mentioned.

Not only are these problems mentioned, there may even be attempts to solve this.
 
 
 
 
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bropous       9/10/2009 8:53:22 PM
The ChiCom leadership will be lined up against the wall and their heads blown off (and rightly so, the murdering scumbags) before China ever made a real move against Asian Russia.  Plus, as someone said above, Russia has a lot of land to fall back into, strengthening interior lines of communication, while the ChiCom thug squads get sucked into the Siberian taiga.
 
China likes to strut tough, but when it boils down to it, Russia would clean China's clock.  Of the two, it is China that is the paper tiger.  China can only produce cheap knock-offs of Russian military tech, and the majority of the Russian military manufacturing base is far out of range of the ChiComs.
 
While it would make me exceedingly happy to see the ChiComs attack Russia and fail spectacularly and cause the removal of their own government (or the same scenario moving against the TRUE government of China, the Republic of China on Taiwan), I sincerely doubt it will occur.  The Murdering Bastar5s in Beijing will be killed by their own people and China will fragment into several independent republics first, and I can think of no people more deserving of national dissolution than the racist Han.
 
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cwDeici       9/11/2009 10:39:41 AM

The ChiCom leadership will be lined up against the wall and their heads blown off (and rightly so, the murdering scumbags) before China ever made a real move against Asian Russia.  Plus, as someone said above, Russia has a lot of land to fall back into, strengthening interior lines of communication, while the ChiCom thug squads get sucked into the Siberian taiga.

 

China likes to strut tough, but when it boils down to it, Russia would clean China's clock.  Of the two, it is China that is the paper tiger.  China can only produce cheap knock-offs of Russian military tech, and the majority of the Russian military manufacturing base is far out of range of the ChiComs.

 

While it would make me exceedingly happy to see the ChiComs attack Russia and fail spectacularly and cause the removal of their own government (or the same scenario moving against the TRUE government of China, the Republic of China on Taiwan), I sincerely doubt it will occur.  The Murdering Bastar5s in Beijing will be killed by their own people and China will fragment into several independent republics first, and I can think of no people more deserving of national dissolution than the racist Han.



 
Oh raaaight, you prefer a less competent, equally murderous and more corrupt (on some levels) Russian leadership than the Chinese... probably because they're closer to you culturally. And I lost a great-grandfather to the Commies and hate their guts.
Unfortunately we're more complicit on average with our government, even though they're a nightmare on civil rights compared to America... more competent on infrastructure and economy though.
 
As for ChiCom... right. antiquated much?
 
It's a parentalist neo-autocratic technocracy with communist trappings and a capitalist economy with state elements.
 
well, let's go through the rest piece by piece (and I think my government is evil. you're really ignorant to cheeze me off)
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(and rightly so, the murdering scumbags)
--- So, enjoying your Indian land?
 
 
--- before China ever made a real move against Asian Russia.  Plus, as someone said above, Russia has a lot of land to fall back into, strengthening interior lines of communication, while the ChiCom thug squads get sucked into the Siberian taiga.
(well, maybe you're Russian)
No plans. Russian military sucks. It'd hurt, but China would probably make significant progress before being defeated by the air and navy. Your army is a dilapidated muckfest. Sure, maybe you could rally together a citizens resistance, but the cost would be immense. Either way, for the Imperialist nation Russia is you're sure down with the 'thug' squad.
 

-China likes to strut tough.
--- Yes it does, but not the way you think. It wants face and leading the world and tribute, but is unlikely to use violence to achieve these means. Unlike Europe, until it went all spoony.
 
 
- but when it boils down to it, Russia would clean China's clock. 
--- No. You're in denial. Not without NBCs. Twenty years ago, yes. Ten years ago, probably. Now, probably not. In ten years, yes.
 
- Of the two, it is China that is the paper tiger. 
--- China has a military budget at 25% of the US rate. It should reach about 50% by 2020.
 
-China can only produce cheap knock-offs of Russian military tech, and the majority of the Russian military manufacturing base is far out of range of the ChiComs.
--- This is just more ignorance (with some partial truth to it), although you've definitely pushed into racism here. Their bases being out of range also means longer logistical lines which you conveniently ignore. More outdated terms here... did you grow up in the Reagan era?
Most technological innovation in any historical region not isolated from others have traditionally borrowed from its neighbors (usually for free), not the tradition in the modern west though. At any rate, China has projects of its own unrelated to Russia. Lots of tech have been bought, and a large amount has also been borrowed and stolen from neighbors. The quality has skyrocketed in the last 20 years and we've gone from purely import to mediocre F-16 clones. Airforce is the furthest behind though, so it'll take about a 100-200 years to pull even with America. Subs are doing well.
 

 

-While it would make me exceedingly happy to see the ChiComs attack Russia and fail spectacularly and cause the removal of their own government (or the same scenario moving against the TRUE government of China, the Republic of China on Taiwan), I sincerely doubt it will occur. 
--- Once again, they're not by the people, but they do a lot for the people. More than most of our inbred Emperors or Communist excrement did. At any rate, I'd prefer our current leaders to you (probably the most economic capable in the world).
 
 
-The Murdering Bastar5s in Beijing will be killed by their own people and China will fragment into several independent republics first, and I can think of no people more deserving of national dissolution than the racist Han.
--- Huhm, almost seemed like you were willing to treat the Chinese like they were people for a moment. But nope, on with the hatred.
Anyway, we're not stupid, just as smart and hardworking and peaceloving as your countrymen (and certainly more than your offal butt).
Are there a lot of bigoted, idiots in my country? Victim of propaganda and poor political education? Yes.
They're about as bad as you ... roughly, nee.
Yeah seriously, we're brothers in hating the 'ugly Chinaman' and 'communism' and I actually think you're just as bad as them. Suuure, you could be something noble. Once you drop the hatchet you want to plant into our faces out of your racist hatred.
 
Oh and here's the economic finger... We just unloaded 50-80 billion of longterm bonds and treasuries. Nothing personal, but we want out... US economy is looking shaky again.
 
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cwDeici       9/11/2009 10:41:17 AM
(the economic finger is not from my country to the US btw. It's just my finger to you.)
 
Strangely enough we're sitting here peacefully and extending our economic ties (evil arms sales and irredentist beliggerance aside).
 
I'm sure you'd like to kill us all rather than just up the deployments to Taiwan tho.
 
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cwDeici       9/11/2009 10:42:49 AM
National dissolution comes with a lot of blood after all.
 
War of 1812 and Manifest Destiny? Russian Imperialism? I can mention jerkassery from everyone (Christians West comes off better, with Eastern civilizations roughter and muslims quite bad).
 
Anyway ure a hypocrite.
 
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cwDeici       9/11/2009 10:44:43 AM




The current strategy is actually just to support emigration into the Russian borderlands.



In fact a fairly large amount of Russian borderlands are dominated by Chinese ethnicity and even culture, however I do not believe it extends more than several hundred miles or a thousand or two at the most. Which is just a bargaining chip anyway --- or cause for intervention if Russia ever collapses.




A generation or two down the road Russia will be small potatoes compared to China. And Russia won't have the population, the money or the power in the far east to stop the Chinese from simply taking it away from them. China will just assimilate it.  At that point it's a fait accompli. And if Russia objects they'll get a damn good beating.

Give it five to ten generations and/or nuclear shields. :P (former more likely and preferable, not sure we'd even bother with the latter.... just go for Greater Manchuria maybe. China likes incrementalism when it's not on the tribute horse.)
 
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cwDeici       9/11/2009 10:47:01 AM
Actually when all is said and done, Chinese doesn't like bloodshed. We like money. That's why there won't be a war with the north.
 
Sad, but true. Unless China becomes properly Christian the only thing that can override the desire to laze off (with respect/face) is resource hogging. Mars looks good this time of year, and there's water and a strategic location there! Place to send all the single men, and look for mines! Haha. nah. We'd build proper bases, cramped, but all right.
 
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