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The Thousand Warhead Weapon

August 7, 2009: Wargames and detailed analysis of possible Chinese attacks on Taiwan,  indicate that the basic Chinese strategy might work, and do so within days. The key to such a blitz is the 1,300 Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles. Most of these are based on the coast opposite Taiwan (180 kilometers away across the Taiwan Straits). The Chinese missiles carry one ton or half ton conventional (high explosive or cluster bomb) warheads, and were expected to be used to try and cripple Taiwanese air force and navy, as well as attacking headquarters and communications targets. Almost simultaneously, China would try to invade with airborne and amphibious forces. Without those missiles, Taiwans's superior air and naval forces would make it very difficult, if not impossible, for the invasion force to cross the straits. The wargames play out various targeting strategies, and defensive moves the Taiwanese could take. In most cases, the Chinese succeed. The barrage of missiles do serious damage to Taiwanese air and naval forces, giving Chinese air and naval forces an opportunity to get ground forces ashore.

 In response to this threat, Taiwan has signed a $154 million contract with a U.S. firm to upgrade the island nations Patriot missile systems. These hardware and software changes will make the Taiwanese Patriot batteries equal in performance to those used by the U.S. Army. That is, the Taiwanese Patriot systems will be able to fire the PAC-3 anti-missile missile, and station the Patriot launchers many kilometers from the system radars. Taiwan has also ordered hundreds of PAC-3 missiles. But even with these improvements, the Chinese still have a good shot at winning a quick victory. Taiwan is looking to deploying its naval and air forces differently, to minimize the effects of the ballistic missiles.

Taiwan, increasingly anxious about this situation, boosted its defense spending by about 15 percent last year (to $10.5 billion). China spends over five times as much on defense, to support about two million troops. Taiwan has only 350,000 troops, and a population of 23 million, compared to 1.3 billion on the mainland. Taiwans's GPD is $650 billion, compared to $2.7 trillion for China. Thus the per capital income of Taiwan is more than ten times that of the mainland. Taiwans military is based on the American model, with an emphasis on quality. China based its military on the Soviet model (where quantity has a quality all its own), although for decades the emphasis was on mobilizing a huge force of guerillas. Now China is trying to develop a force that can fight on Western terms (high tech operated by well trained troops.)

While many Taiwanese still see the United States as the ultimate guarantor of Taiwanese independence, they see China as increasingly capable of grabbing the island before the U.S. can intervene. So while the Taiwanese don't have to be strong enough to defeat a Chinese invasion, they do have to be strong enough to hold the Chinese back until American reinforcements can show up.

 

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trenchsol       8/7/2009 1:58:19 PM
Perhaps the Chinese strategy is to force Taiwan to spend more and more on defense while Chinese economy and living standard is growing steadily. On the other hand Chine is competing more and more with Taiwan in areas where Taiwanese were traditionally strong. In the end, people of Taiwan might wish to join Chine, because the living standard might become better in the mainland. There is already pro-China political bloc in Taiwan.
 
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Photon       8/7/2009 3:37:09 PM

Conceptually, the best counter-strategy against an opponent with 1000+ warheads is for one to have his own 1000+ warheads under his belt.  (Fight fire with fire, so to speak.)  Of course, everyone knows that if Taiwan tries to have its own large inventory of ballistic missiles, that would automatically lead to destabilization, and makes Taiwan to look even worse.  China knows very well that this would be something no Taiwanese would go for as it is politically very costly.

 
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colforbin       8/7/2009 7:27:58 PM
1000 non-nukes aimed at mainland china isn't as threatening as 1000 non-nukes aimed at ity biity taiwan
 
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Tonytitan    That depends on the target   8/7/2009 9:09:44 PM

200 warheads impacting the Three Gorges Dam area could get China's full and undivided attention. Whether they come from Tiwan or the U.S.S. Ohio, U.S.S Michigan, U.S.S. Florida and the U.S.S. Geogia is immaterial.

 
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Don Vandervelde       8/7/2009 11:19:10 PM
Tonytitan, excellent point, the populated industrial eastern cities should be held hostage to missile and aircraft attack, from land and sea.  Taiwan has been dragging its feet in buying U.S. subs, ships and planes, counting on our willingness to protect them.  They should be told that if they not willing and able to fight for themselves, we'll not do it for them.
 
The other defense is to encourage and demonstrate to Chinese provinces' populations that they could be as prosperous as the Taiwanese with free, democratic political sytems.  Thus, deflecting the communist rulers into internal worrying about their own positions, instead of agression and expansion.
 
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RtWingCon       8/8/2009 5:30:00 AM
The other defense is to encourage and demonstrate to Chinese provinces' populations that they could be as prosperous as the Taiwanese with free, democratic political sytems.  Thus, deflecting the communist rulers into internal worrying about their own positions, instead of agression and expansion.

Vandervelde last point hits the mark and counter to Trenchsol's. Why would a people give up all their freedoms to make a few extra bucks-doesn't make sense. Instead feed the need of freedom to the mainland, it's worse than sending missles. The mainland shuts down communications at the drop of hat(if that hat embarrasses them in any way). The mainland is getting ripe for another revolution. Trenchsol's point though has merit, but opposite of implied. As mainland China becomes more prosperous, that revolution gets closer and closer.
 
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FJV       8/8/2009 6:47:42 AM
Nothing a few good bunkers cannot fix. Also a subway system, that is a bit more below ground than absolutely neccesary might be interesting. And a few Harriers.

As long as you are ready to roll out the tanks and the guns, etc. when the landing craft appear. Then it's basically picking off the landing craft from several miles away. Amphibious landings are among the hardest thing to do for a reason.
 
 
 
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Vulture       8/8/2009 11:37:59 AM
So anyone know the cost of a THOR style satellite with an orbit crossing the Three Rivers Dam zone?  It's not like Chinese ASATs can target a dark sat.  And it's not like there is any defense to a bunch of DU rods coming straight down from high orbit and striking your dams.
 
/Bet you that RAND simulation/paper  did not cover that option ;)
 
 
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Whispering Death       8/8/2009 2:52:31 PM

Vandervelde last point hits the mark and counter to Trenchsol's. Why would a people give up all their freedoms to make a few extra bucks-doesn't make sense.



Have you been following American politics recently?  The country voted, by a huge margin, to put into power a group of people who'se entire platform is to take freedoms and replace them with the promise of prosperity.
 
In the modern world, freedoms are much more often surrendered than taken by force.
 
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Bonjour       8/8/2009 8:27:30 PM
I have seen video of Taiwan Air Force pilots practising taking off from highways. Taiwan is apparently planning to use its highways as makeshift runways to launch counter attacks on China's missile batteries. So its not gonna be as easy as oblitarating Taiwan's air bases and walk right in, no wonder China has held back Taiwan invasion for past 50 years.
 
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Herald12345       8/9/2009 4:38:11 AM

So anyone know the cost of a THOR style satellite with an orbit crossing the Three Rivers Dam zone?  It's not like Chinese ASATs can target a dark sat.  And it's not like there is any defense to a bunch of DU rods coming straight down from high orbit and striking your dams.

 

/Bet you that RAND simulation/paper  did not cover that option ;)


 
Rods from god is less useful than you think. There are problems with dispersion and problems with guidance.
 
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Reactive       8/11/2009 11:25:56 AM




So anyone know the cost of a THOR style satellite with an orbit crossing the Three Rivers Dam zone?  It's not like Chinese ASATs can target a dark sat.  And it's not like there is any defense to a bunch of DU rods coming straight down from high orbit and striking your dams.



 



/Bet you that RAND simulation/paper  did not cover that option ;)






 


Rods from god is less useful than you think. There are problems with dispersion and problems with guidance.


As well as the hideous cost of hurling several tonnes of one of the very heaviest metals. The impact speed is actually less than you think owing to atmospheric drag, they are limited in their trajectory, require "launch" from a satellite at very specific times (remember such a satellite (being heavy) would probably be in low earth orbit, at several klicks/second, you find you have more problems managing that velocity with a simple guided munition in space, you need axial thrusters, a primary thruster, (they don't just "fall"), and cost several orders of magnitude more than the equivalent level of joules delivered by cruise missiles/standoff weapons.
 
The concept has been proposed several times as a good "instant" strike weapon, but the prospect of anyone spending several hundred million to position a stealthy, heavy satellite in orbit is nil - it simply costs a lot more to deliver a weapon that is not significantly more powerful than a high explosive warhead. A better way of achieving the same end is to simply fill ICBM MIRV's with depleted uranium, the guidance systems are already developed, but the CEP is in the order of tens of meters (as it would be for a DU "sat-rain" system), - with a kinetic payload as opposed to high explosive, these things have to hit BANG ON or they simply dig beautiful 100+ meter boreholes.
 
Basically cruise missiles are the best option for attacking dams, infrastructure from stand off ranges, the more exotic solutions have very severe limitations and costs that are prohibitive.
 
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arodrig6       8/12/2009 5:42:23 PM

I have seen video of Taiwan Air Force pilots practising taking off from highways. Taiwan is apparently planning to use its highways as makeshift runways to launch counter attacks on China's missile batteries. So its not gonna be as easy as oblitarating Taiwan's air bases and walk right in, no wonder China has held back Taiwan invasion for past 50 years.

The problem isn't just runways. Many of the Taiwanese hangars, fuel depots, and resupply points are poorly protected (Rand Study: Future of Air Combat). Even if the planes survive the missile barrage, they might be stranded due to damage to parking ramps. Even if they overcome that, they might not have access to fuel or munitions.
 
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nihonjin    Dam Busting   8/14/2009 11:36:21 AM
The RAF in WWII used Lancasters armed with special spinning and bouncing bombs to attack the  Mohne, Eder, and, Sorpe dams in Germany.  These bombs were able to get past the anti torpedo nets.  It is my understanding the 5 Gorges
dam in China is much much bigger than the previously mentioned dams.   Not sure how much damage can be accomplished with cruise or ballistic missiles with  non nuclear warheads.  Plenty of damage to surrounding facillities, sure, but not devastating floods.  The dams in WWII were cracked with explosions that took place underwater against the face of the dams.  I suppose one could hit the back side of the 5 Gorges Dam but you won't get any help from the non compressible water to focus the explosion.  There is a lot of reinforced concrete in any dam and my guess is any damage would be more cosmetic than actual.  Even if you could deliver conventional torpedoes successfully it still is a pretty huge dam and would probably survive any attack.  Finally the best time to attack a dam is in the spring when the reservoir is full.  This would limit the window of opportunity to inflict the maximum damage to a few weeks a year.
 
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