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Massive And Out-Of-Control

September 14, 2009: American and Iraqi intelligence officials disagree  over who is responsible for the current flurry of terrorist attacks. The Americans believe that it is al Qaeda, reinforced by cash and recruits via Syria, but controlled by terrorist leaders within Iraq. The Iraqis believe that it's Saddam supporters, and their leadership is in Syria, who are the source of cash and reinforcements. The recent confrontation with Syria is seen, by the Americans (and some Iraqis)  as a political ploy to help get Iraqi president Maliki re-elected. U.S. intelligence resources are still greater than what the Iraqis have, and the U.S. is reluctant to share too much with the Iraqis, lest crucial information about U.S. sources and methods be sold to the terrorists. The corruption in Iraq is still massive and out-of-control.

The security forces report that they broke up 18 terrorist cells last month, and arrested dozens of known or suspected terrorists. But still there were several major attacks, that left over 300 civilians dead. The government blames Syria for allowing Iraqi terror groups there to send in more suicide bombers and cash, to keep the attacks happening.

Members of parliament are calling for more efforts to curb corruption (which is stifling the economy and crippling the government). International surveys indicate that Iraq is the third most corrupt country on the planet. It's gotten so bad that even the public schools are mired in corruption. There are no indications that the corruption will be appreciably diminished anytime soon.

U.S. combat casualties are down to single digits per month. In six years of action, 3,470 American troops died in combat in Iraq. Another 900 died from non-combat causes. The Iraqi police and soldiers are taking nearly all the casualties now, but are discouraged by the current spurt of terror attacks.

September 12, 2009: Two bombs went off near a Shia shrine in Baghdad, killing four people.

September 11, 2009: Three died from a car bomb in Kirkuk.

September 10, 2009: A truck bomb went off in a Kurdish village southeast of Mosul, killing 19 and wounding many more.

September 8, 2009: Bombings and shooting left 19 dead across the country.

September 6, 2009: Several shooting in Mosul left six dead.

September 5, 2009: The government several thousand additional police to the Syrian border, and accused Syria of responsibility for most of the terrorism in Iraq. The government insisted that 90 percent of the foreign terrorists entering Iraq, did so via Syria (which continues to deny everything.)

September 3, 2009: A terrorist bombing of a Shia mosque in the south killed four people, while Syria demanded that Iraq provide proof that Saddam supporters were in Syria, directing terror attacks in Iraq.

September 2, 2009: Four Iraqi soldiers were sentenced to death for their part in a January 28th bank robbery, that involved the murder of eight bank guards. But higher ranking Shia security officials, apparently responsible for planning and ordering the robbery, will not be prosecuted. This is common knowledge, and the government is taking a lot of heat for it.

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jonodavidson    American Intelligence officials are unreliable   9/20/2009 11:47:21 AM

  The fact that US intelligence resources are greater than Iraqi intelligence resources does not qualify the opinions that they state.  America invaded Iraq under false pretenses that Saddam Hussein had ties to Al Queda, weapons of mass destruction, delivery systems for them, and intentions to arm Al Queda terrorists with these capacities under the condition that they use them to target America for attack.  These same intelligence resources also proclaimed that Al Queda somehow organized a bunch of terrorist cells within Iraq that operate independent of any outside leadership, and the leaders of these cells in Iraq have no command structure to unify them in their efforts.

 

 There is a rule of thumb that I have always used to determine if events are the result of enemy action.  Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action.  One: both Iraqi and American intelligence officials agree that sources in Syria are providing resources and recruits to the terrorists in Iraq. Two: the terrorists in Iraq are united in their efforts to undermine American efforts to establish a government that is capable of providing internal security within Iraq much less regional security for the territories surrounding Iraq. This is the effect that their common efforts have produced, and we have no reason to believe that they do not have this purpose in common. Three: the weapons and tactics that these terrorist cells employ in their efforts are common for all of them to use when they carry out their attacks. Having discovered three occurrences that appear to have occurred by chance or without apparent design, we know that an unseen enemy has in fact carried this out by design. Inferences can be drawn about the purpose they hope to achieve by the manner in which they pursue their objectives.

 

 Having determined that an enemy force has taken action by design, we can identify this force by evaluating the design of their actions. The American intelligence officials have proclaimed that Al Queda is responsible for carrying out the current flurry of terrorist attacks. They claim that Al Queda is operating without any intelligent design. Al Queda finds Iraq to be a suitable country for carrying out terrorist attacks in order to challenge American hegemony. The local insurgency that we have fought to suppress since we invaded Iraq proved to be excellent recruiting grounds for Al Queda operatives to infiltrate and subject to their foreign control. It is ridiculous for American intelligence officials to make this claim. Al Queda had no presence in Iraq prior to our invasion of the country, and they could not have grown so powerful within Iraq to suddenly be responsible for the current flurry of terrorist attacks. Have we forgotten about Afghanistan altogether? They had bases for training terrorists in Afghanistan, and they had their headquarters secured in that land. They could not maintain a presence on the ground in that country in our presence simply because we hunted them down and killed them. They could not provide resources and recruits to sustain their anti-American efforts in Afghanistan, and they cannot do so in Iraq. We face the Taliban in Afghanistan.

 

 The Iraqis believe that Saddam Hussein?s supporters maintain a leadership structure that is currently based in Syria which is responsible for the current flurry of attacks. These supporters of Hussein are providing the insurgents with reinforcements and resources. Hussein established this course of action for his supporters to pursue before America invaded Iraq, and they are evincing a design to maintain their national sovereignty in the absence of American foreign forces on the ground. They are not limited in their efforts to undermine the control of the government with their insurgency. We can assume that they have infiltrated positions within the government we have tried to establish in order to undermine the integrity of the system simply because they can, so efforts to curb corruption will not yield much success. When Hussein was put on trial by the Iraqis, he claimed to still be the only lawful authority in Iraq, and he clung to that belief until he died. Please refer to the topic I posted in May of 2008 entitled establishing a military objective in Iraq, and read the comments I made in the discussion that ensued.

 
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cwDeici       10/21/2009 10:19:34 PM

  The fact that US intelligence resources are greater than Iraqi intelligence resources does not qualify the opinions that they state.
- It often does.
 
 
  America invaded Iraq under false pretenses that Saddam Hussein had ties to Al Queda, weapons of mass destruction, delivery systems for them, and intentions to arm Al Queda terrorists with these capacities under the condition that they use them to target America for attack. 
- So did the rest of the world. By the by they did have WMDs, just very few because the fundaments (Which were intact) had been sanctioned to death by those who wanted to remove them.
 
 
 These same intelligence resources also proclaimed that Al Queda somehow organized a bunch of terrorist cells within Iraq that operate independent of any outside leadership, and the leaders of these cells in Iraq have no command structure to unify them in their efforts.
 There is a rule of thumb that I have always used to determine if events are the result of enemy action.  Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action. 
-- This is overly simplistic.
  One: both Iraqi and American intelligence officials agree that sources in Syria are providing resources and recruits to the terrorists in Iraq. Two: the terrorists in Iraq are united in their efforts to undermine American efforts to establish a government that is capable of providing internal security within Iraq much less regional security for the territories surrounding Iraq. This is the effect that their common efforts have produced, and we have no reason to believe that they do not have this purpose in common. Three: the weapons and tactics that these terrorist cells employ in their efforts are common for all of them to use when they carry out their attacks. Having discovered three occurrences that appear to have occurred by chance or without apparent design, we know that an unseen enemy has in fact carried this out by design. Inferences can be drawn about the purpose they hope to achieve by the manner in which they pursue their objectives.

 

 Having determined that an enemy force has taken action by design, we can identify this force by evaluating the design of their actions. The American intelligence officials have proclaimed that Al Queda is responsible for carrying out the current flurry of terrorist attacks. They claim that Al Queda is operating without any intelligent design. Al Queda finds Iraq to be a suitable country for carrying out terrorist attacks in order to challenge American hegemony. The local insurgency that we have fought to suppress since we invaded Iraq proved to be excellent recruiting grounds for Al Queda operatives to infiltrate and subject to their foreign control. It is ridiculous for American intelligence officials to make this claim. Al Queda had no presence in Iraq prior to our invasion of the country, and they could not have grown so powerful within Iraq to suddenly be responsible for the current flurry of terrorist attacks. Have we forgotten about Afghanistan altogether? They had bases for training terrorists in Afghanistan, and they had their headquarters secured in that land. They could not maintain a presence on the ground in that country in our presence simply because we hunted them down and killed them. They could not provide resources and recruits to sustain their anti-American efforts in Afghanistan, and they cannot do so in Iraq. We face the Taliban in Afghanistan.

- Your information is highly dated. US intelligence agencies have updated their information since then.

 


 The Iraqis believe that Saddam Hussein?s supporters maintain a leadership structure that is currently based in Syria which is responsible for the current flurry of attacks. These supporters of Hussein are providing the insurgents with reinforcements and resources. Hussein established this course of action for his supporters to pursue before America invaded Iraq, and they are evincing a design to maintain their national sovereignty in the absence of American foreign forces on the ground. They are not limited in their efforts to undermine the control of the government with their insurgency. We can assume that they have infiltrated positions within the government we have tried to establish in order to undermine the integrity of the system simply because they can, so efforts to curb corruption will not yield much success. When Hussein was put on trial by the Iraqis, he claimed to still be the only lawful authority in Iraq, and he clung to that belief until he died. Please refer to the topic I posted in May of 2008 entitled establishing a military objective in Iraq, and read the comments I made in the discussion that ensued.



You may be right and there are indications you could be right, however you do seem to drag in a lot of semi-related subjects, some of which are outdated by years even though you make it sound like recent news.
Even MI6 and the battle experienced Mossad make make lots of mistakes, I'm sure if you rattle them off in an impressive and skewed list you can make it seem like they're probably worse than a third world agency with battle experience.
 
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