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Yes, We Did It Again

October 10, 2009: During the October 1 celebrations (of 60 years of communist rule) in China, the commentary on the big military parade included some interesting tidbits. One was confirmation that China did, as many suspected, put its first Type 093 class SSN (nuclear attack sub) into service in December, 2006. Officially, that was a secret, and Chinese nuclear subs don't go to sea at much, so it's difficult to tell if new ones are actually in service,  and not just tied up at a pier for further work after launching.

The Type 093 class SSN looks a lot like the three decade old Russian Victor III class SSN design. And the subsequent Type 94 SSBN (ballistic missile carrying nuclear powered boat) looks like a Victor III with a missile compartment added. Taking a SSN design and adding extra compartments to hold the ballistic missiles is an old trick, pioneered by the United States in the 1950s to produce the first SSBNs. The Chinese appear to have done the same thing with their new SSN, creating a larger SSBN boat of 9,000 tons displacement. Priority was apparently given to construction of the 094, as having nuclear missiles able to reach the United States gives China more diplomatic clout than some new SSNs. The first 094 entered service about a year ago.

The Type 094 SSBNs are based on the Type 093 SSN. Having already sent the first two new, 7,000 ton, 093 class SSNs to sea, China was apparently underwhelmed by their performance. Not much more is expected from the 094s. The 093s are too noisy, and have a long list of more minor defects as well. This may mean 2-3 093s will be built, while more resources will be diverted to the next SSN class; the 095. The Type 093 and Type 094 were both over a decade in development and construction. Work began on the 094 class in the 1990s. For years, all that was known was that the Chinese were having technical problems with the new design. The 094 is a modern SSBN, using technology bought from Russia, plus what was developed by the Chinese in their earlier nuclear submarine building efforts. The Chinese have had a hard time building reliable nuclear subs, but they are determined to acquire the needed skills. You do that by doing it, and eating your mistakes. U.S. intelligence experts believe that China is building a class of five Type 94s.

The JL-2 SLBM (sea launched ballistic missile) carried by the 094s has a range of 8,000 kilometers, and enables China to aim missiles at any target in the United States from a 094 sub cruising off Hawaii or Alaska. Each 094 boat will carry 12 of these missiles, which are naval versions of the existing land based DF-31 ICBM. 

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doggone       10/10/2009 2:00:05 PM
The Chinese are bad at making subs, yet one of theirs popped to the surface in the middle of our carrier fleet just to say hello,... and it was never detected until it wanted to be..  Something doesn't add up with this article...
 
 
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warpig       10/10/2009 3:11:33 PM

The Chinese are bad at making subs, yet one of theirs popped to the surface in the middle of our carrier fleet just to say hello,... and it was never detected until it wanted to be..  Something doesn't add up with this article...

 



 
Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what the PLAN claims is what happened.  Not to be entirely nit-picking, but if that sub was a Romeo or Kilo, then it wasn't actually built by the Chinese, but I admit I don't know what type of sub it was.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       10/10/2009 3:13:31 PM

The Chinese are bad at making subs, yet one of theirs popped to the surface in the middle of our carrier fleet just to say hello,... and it was never detected until it wanted to be..  Something doesn't add up with this article...

 the nickname for some of the PLAN subs is "kenwoods" - ie because they sound like a kenwood mixmaster running underwater.

that however, doesn't change the fact that throughout time, old subs have "killed" modern (contemp) skimmers.  admittedly exercises where conventionals kill large attractive assets like carriers is done through the prism of partial prosecution (so not reflective of real life, "free fire" probablilities. but thats still enough to make people pause.

I can't think of any professional in the cold light of considered decision who dismisses any conventional.  underestimating an adversary via the jingoism of hubris isn't smart. 

what the PLAN currently lack in technical competency is more than balanced out by political will and intent, and a cultural drive to change the odds.  They should be treated with respect because eventually technical development, technical competency, training and political will and intent will converge.  and thats what the modern western militaries already have.  granted the western militaries won't be stagnant (unless a caligula mentality emerges), so the race will be long.

the thing for the PLAN is that they are taking the long view, and all of the "setbacks" that we see when compared to our own capabilities are just regarded as training opportunities by them.  they're not trying to run too fast before they can walk.  some analysts haven't exactly worked that out yet.


 
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Bryan_    Victor III??   10/12/2009 3:38:29 PM

How can you claim that the 093/094 looks like the Victor III design? It does not look like a Victor at all.. Look at the Victor sail, the pod for towed array etv.. The 093/094 looks more like a Delta III, look on the sail design, the diving planes, the upper rudder etc.. It might be Victor III technology on the inside, but the outside of it does not look like a Victor.

 
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