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Artillery: Chinese Buildup Continues
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April 2, 2008: Taiwan now believes that  China has over 1,400 ballistic missiles aimed at them. That's up from 200 in 2000, and 800 four years ago. Most of these are Dong Feng DF-11 and DF-15 models. The DF11 (also known as the M11) has a range of 300 kilometers and carries a one ton warhead. The DF15 (M9) has a range of 600 kilometers and carries a half ton warhead. There are also over a thousand Chinese warplanes and over 100,000 troops (including several brigades of paratroopers) available for an attack on the island. The missiles would use high explosive or cluster bomb warheads, and would basically be bombs that could not be stopped. Well, that's not exactly the case. Taiwan is investing in an anti-missile system that would negate a large number of the Chinese missiles.

 

If used, perhaps 75 percent of the missiles would actually hit their target (the others would suffer failures in propulsion or guidance systems.) Each missile is the equivalent of a half ton or one ton aircraft bomb. But currently, the missiles have primitive guidance systems, meaning that the warheads will usually hit up to 500 meters from the target. The Chinese are believed to be equipping the missiles with GPS, although the Taiwanese can jam this. Guidance systems that are more difficult to jam are in the works, as this technology has been much sought after by Chinese spies in the United States over the last few years.

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nyetneinnon       4/3/2008 12:25:03 AM
WOW.  This is such a no-brainer, imo... I'll put up a youtube vid on this subject within the next 3 weeks.  But in short.. the solution for this 'Scary' OMG, MISSILES, POINTED, AT, ME solution could be countered with the following:  Ask PLA to remove all ballistic missiles deployed within range of Taiwan, within 6 months.  Ask Taiwan to make a national referendum within 3 months to seek an official, negotiated, Taiwan island connection to Beijing with 3 years!  Everyone walks around with a million faces.  We all walk around with dead eyes.  It's time to walk around with a million reasons for the missiles to be removed for once and for the children of Taiwan to walk tomorrow with no fear, and to walk with hope for a happier tomorrow~
 
Cheers all.  Respects... And geogenerated will have a vid up within 3-4 weeks on this subject on YT.  Peace.  Keep the faith...
 
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Lance Blade    a couple of points..   4/3/2008 4:49:23 AM
"The Chinese are believed to be equipping the missiles with GPS "

Why does this keep popping up? GPS is an AMERICAN system that does not have an analogue in PRC. Any object under GPS guidance travelling faster than a certain speed, that has not been approved by the US military, will be automatically directed off target. It's a safeguard to stop precisely this - hostiles taking advantage of a system provided by one nation free of charge - it is still under complete control of the US.

"But currently, the missiles have primitive guidance systems, meaning that the warheads will usually hit up to 500 meters from the target. "

That' still pretty damn close. If you're gonna chuck nukes around, 500 metres is nothing.

 
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YelliChink       4/3/2008 10:25:57 AM

"The Chinese are believed to be equipping the
missiles with GPS
"

Why does this keep popping up? GPS is an AMERICAN system that does not have an analogue in PRC. Any object under GPS guidance travelling faster than a certain speed, that has not been approved by the US military, will be automatically directed off target. It's a safeguard to stop precisely this - hostiles taking advantage of a system provided by one nation free of charge - it is still under complete control of the US.

"But currently, the missiles
have primitive guidance systems, meaning that the warheads will usually hit up
to 500 meters from the target.
"

That' still pretty damn close. If you're gonna chuck nukes around, 500 metres is nothing.


1. Commies stole your technology.

2. GPS is a passive system, and there are ways to circumvent speed limit.

3. There are also Glonass and Beidou systems, though not as good as GPS, that still can provide certain positioning information.

 
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Lance Blade       4/3/2008 3:00:29 PM


1. Commies stole your technology.

2. GPS is a passive system, and there are ways to circumvent speed limit.

3. There are also Glonass and Beidou systems, though not as good as GPS, that still can provide certain positioning information.

1. What?
2. Like how, for example? Surely if there were ways to actually use it to cause damage, DoD would immediately withdraw it from public use?
 
3. a. GLONASS isn't even operational yet is it?
b. If it was operational, it would have exactly the same restrictions placed on it as GPS. Russians are not interested in rogue missiles flying around guided by their own stuff.
c. Last I heard, Beidou exists only on paper. Same deal with the Galileo.
 
Ergo, China does not have sattelite guidance capability, and is unlikely to have it for at least another decade (how long it took to build GPS/GLONASS).
 
Also,
 
"If used, perhaps 75 percent of the missiles would actually hit their target (the others would suffer failures in propulsion or guidance systems.) "
 
Erm... source? WHY would 1/4 of the missiles fail? Are we looking at past performance? Chinese rocketry improved greatly in the 1990s due to sales of software by American defence companies. Are we looking at results from past tests? Or is this opinion? It's an interesting claim, thats all.
 
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ArtyEngineer    LB   4/3/2008 5:42:05 PM

"The Chinese are believed to be equipping the
missiles with GPS
"

Why does this keep popping up? GPS is an AMERICAN system that does not have an analogue in PRC. Any object under GPS guidance travelling faster than a certain speed, that has not been approved by the US military, will be automatically directed off target. It's a safeguard to stop precisely this - hostiles taking advantage of a system provided by one nation free of charge - it is still under complete control of the US.

"But currently, the missiles
have primitive guidance systems, meaning that the warheads will usually hit up
to 500 meters from the target.
"

That' still pretty damn close. If you're gonna chuck nukes around, 500 metres is nothing.


Lance,
You are talking very "Authoritively" about something its clear you dont fully understand.  GPS Nav systems dont work like that.  What you can do is "jam" or cause a massive interference to certain GPS signals which will render the GPS portion of your nav system inoperable, however ther are ways around that.  Contrary to popular belief lack of GPS does not render us unable to navigate.  Prior to the establishment of the GPS network we were still able to launch ballistic and cruise missiles which had a terminal accuracy comparable to a GPS guided munition.  I wonder how we did that?  Must have been magic!!!!!   Hope this doesnt sound confrontational as Im not trying to be.  Just trying to correct quite a common misconception.
 
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Lance Blade       4/5/2008 12:58:12 PM



"The Chinese are believed to be equipping the
missiles with GPS
"

Why does this keep popping up? GPS is an AMERICAN system that does not have an analogue in PRC. Any object under GPS guidance travelling faster than a certain speed, that has not been approved by the US military, will be automatically directed off target. It's a safeguard to stop precisely this - hostiles taking advantage of a system provided by one nation free of charge - it is still under complete control of the US.

"But currently, the missiles
have primitive guidance systems, meaning that the warheads will usually hit up
to 500 meters from the target.
"

That' still pretty damn close. If you're gonna chuck nukes around, 500 metres is nothing.



Lance,

You are talking very "Authoritively" about something its clear you dont fully understand.  GPS Nav systems dont work like that.  What you can do is "jam" or cause a massive interference to certain GPS signals which will render the GPS portion of your nav system inoperable, however ther are ways around that.  Contrary to popular belief lack of GPS does not render us unable to navigate.  Prior to the establishment of the GPS network we were still able to launch ballistic and cruise missiles which had a terminal accuracy comparable to a GPS guided munition.  I wonder how we did that?  Must have been magic!!!!!   Hope this doesnt sound confrontational as Im not trying to be.  Just trying to correct quite a common misconception.


I apologise. I just have trouble believing that US DoD would allow such a gaping hole in their security as to allow a potential hostile to hijack their own system and use it for missile guidance. Especially as, as you say, it's not critical to US missile guidance. There are nations out there, including the US, who can plant a missile with a high degree of accuracy without relying on sat nav. Is it really as bad as you say? Can any hostile with enough brains really go and sling a GPS receiver on their missile to give it super-accuracy?

 
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Yimmy       4/5/2008 1:04:42 PM
The question you have to ask, is if the Chinese bought a car sat-nav in London, shipped it to China, reverse engineered it and stuck it in a cruise missile - would America even know?

"Straight over at the roundabout.... you have reached your desti... *Boom*"

 
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Lance Blade       4/5/2008 8:28:04 PM

The question you have to ask, is if the Chinese bought a car sat-nav in London, shipped it to China, reverse engineered it and stuck it in a cruise missile - would America even know?

"Straight over at the roundabout.... you have reached your desti... *Boom*"

I think the "speed limit" is 200 miles an hour or something. Planes would have to get confirmation before using GPS, I guess. Otherwise, we'll be seeing GPS guided rockets flying into Israel every day, with much more devastating casualties. Iran could easily build something of the sort. So there must be some active countermeasures, otherwise terrorist groups worldwide will be having a time of their life, never mind China.
 
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