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Air-To-Air Stinger

July 3, 2009: Taiwan has purchased 171 American Stinger ground-to-air missiles, modified for air-to-air use. The Taiwanese are using these on their AH-64 gunships. The missiles cost about $200,000 each. Taiwan is also buying air-to-air launcher containers, plus test and training equipment. The entire bill will be $45.3 million.

A modified Stinger, for air-to-air use, was developed in the late 1990s. The most likely target is other helicopters, and the ATAS (air-to-air Stinger) can do that as far away as eight kilometers. Nailing a jet is more difficult (they don't call them "fast movers" for nothing). The ATAS can only reach moving targets at up to 4.5 kilometers away. In any event, that's not too bad for a 35 pound missile.

Taiwan would have about 60 AH-64s operational if the Chinese ever tried to invade.

 

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FlightDreamz       10/10/2009 5:37:41 PM
Aside from the lighter weight of the of the FIM-92 Stinger, wonder why Taiwan doesn't use the AiM-9 Sidwinder like the U.S. Marines use on their AH-1 Cobra's?   The Sidewinder would have a longer reach and (in my opinion) a better kill ratio.
 
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doggtag    something else to consider...   10/11/2009 3:03:44 PM
...is that these missiles may be seen as an anti-spammer:
the USAF developed the Quail decoy for its B-52s decades ago.
Certainly the mainland chinese forces have decoys on their mind for any conceived hostile takeover of that island, to attrit (wear down) the available numbers of Taiwan's SAMs and AAMs.
Sending in waves of cheaply-made decoys (yet still possibly a threat: query the USAF development of SCUD, SCAD, and eventually ALCM) could cause Taiwanese forces to deplete their air defense assets quite a bit faster.
A couple hundred Stinger-sized AAMs against unmaneuvering drones and decoys is a cheap means to eliminate a good-sized portion of an "air spam".
 
And certainly their use against maritime helicopters is obvious.
 
 
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mabie       10/12/2009 6:06:03 AM
$200K for a stinger? Sounds quite steep. I'm assuming it costs less than a sidewinder.. anyone have an idea on pricing of both missiles?
 
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WarNerd       10/13/2009 4:40:44 AM
The numbers are the key  --  only 171 missiles for 60 helicopters.  The missiles are to provide an improved self defense capability, not an offensive one.  As such they do not need many reloads because they will only be used as a last resort in an attempt to drive off attackers.
 
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doggtag       10/13/2009 6:13:04 AM

The numbers are the key  --  only 171 missiles for 60 helicopters.  The missiles are to provide an improved self defense capability, not an offensive one.  As such they do not need many reloads because they will only be used as a last resort in an attempt to drive off attackers.


Kind of odd, really, as the most common launcher system I'm familiar with, the MLMS, usually mounts a pair of Stingers to a hardpoint such as on the stub wings of a Cobra or Apache helicopter, typically at the wingtip in an over/under configuration, or side-to-side on an underwing pylon.
 
Be interesting to know the OOB here, as to would the helo in question carry a pair at each stub wing (4 in total), or just a single pair launcher?
Two rounds seems like too risky if one goes dud/miss, but 4 would make a pilot feel more confident...
 
As such, at 4 per helo, that's only enough to arm maybe 40 birds with perhaps 11 used as live-fire training.
At two per, it certainly seems reasonable, though, still allowing a number of rounds to be used for live fire training and qualification.
 
Taiwan also already operates the Avenger system mounting two 4-cell Stinger pods to a Humvee chassis, coupled with a 50-cal HMG and various optical/FLIR sensors.
So it's not like the Stinger is new to their inventory.
I haven't a clue if the standard ground-launched Stinger is any different from the air-launched version, perhaps at most some software?
If the differences are minimal to none, problem solved, as any helos equipped to fire it could borrow from the stocks of the ground units.
 
...but of course, if that need ever materialized (invasion), those ground forces would be needing every round themselves!
 
The Stinger itself is nothing to be underrated: proven against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s, even armored Hinds were taken down by the Stinger's "small" ~3kg warhead (small when compared to other SAMs and AAMs).
 
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