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India Defeats Russia In A Costly Victory

July 12, 2009: After four years of haggling over Russian demands for more money, India has agreed to pay $2.2 billion, instead of the original (2004) agreed on $1.5 billion, for a Russian shipyard to refurbish an old, damaged, aircraft carrier (the Admiral Gorshkov) for Indian use.

Last year, Russia threatened to give the Gorshkov back to the Russian Navy if the Indians don't, again, come up with more money. All this was a sad tale of bungling, corruption, greed and lost blueprints. Work on the Gorshkov was about half completed then. But the 44,000 ton Gorshkov, was supposed to have been delivered last year, and renamed the INS Vikramaditya. But now delivery has been delayed until 2012. The Russians admitted that this project suffered from inept planning, shoddy workmanship, and poor management, and they wanted India to pay for most of those mistakes. The Indians were not amused, and played hard ball with the Russians, making much of the fact that India was now the biggest customer for Russian military exports. Russia was also aware that India was increasingly turning to more expensive (and more capable) Western arms suppliers.

The original price for the refurbishment of the of the Gorshkov was $1.5 billion. Building a Gorshkov type carrier today would cost about $4 billion, and take eight years. Two years ago, the Russians admitted there were problems, and demanded another half billion dollars to make it all right. India went along with that. But last year, the Russians raised the price again, and now wanted $3.5 billion for the job, and an additional four years. The Indians refused to pay.

Given that India currently has $10 billion worth of Russian military items on order, and has been Russia's biggest, and most profitable customer for military equipment for decades, the Gorshkov scandal loomed as a Russian error of gigantic proportions. But the Russians were willing to admit to mistakes and put things right, for a price. For example, the boss of Sevmash naval shipyard, when the Gorshkov deal was negotiated, was fired and under criminal investigation, on suspicion of financial mismanagement.

Naturally, the Indians were not happy, and at first insisted that the Russian government (which owns many of the entities involved) make good on the original deal. India sent its own team of technical experts to Russia, and their report apparently confirmed what the Russians reported, about shipyard officials low-balling the cost of the work needed. This is a common tactic for firms building weapons for their own country. It gets more complicated when you try to pull that sort of thing on a foreign customer. The Russian government initially offered to cover some of the overrun cost. But then they insisted that India cover most the additional costs, or lose the ship entirely. Nothing was said about whether or not the Indians would get any of their money refunded. As Indian anger rose, the Russians began to realize that they would have to eat most of the additional mistakes, or risk losing billions in future sales.

The Admiral Gorshkov entered service in 1987, but was inactivated in 1996 because it was too expensive to operate on a post Cold War budget. This attracted the attention of India, which was looking for a way to expand their carrier aviation capabilities. India is currently building another carrier, from scratch, but that 40,000 ton vessel won't be ready until 2015. India's sole current aircraft carrier, the 29,000 ton INS Viraat, is currently spending 16 months in a shipyard getting maintenance and upgrades, leaving India with no carrier capability. This was to have been avoided by the timely arrival (last year) of the refurbished Russian carrier. If that had happened, the INS Viraat would have been retired in 2012, after 53 years service (for Britain and India). But now the INS Viraat will get its engine and hull refurbished, and its electronics upgraded, and possibly serve for another decade.

Under the terms of the new deal, the INS Vikramaditya will be ready for sea trials by the end of 2012. Thus by 2015, India will have two large carriers in operation, and some bitter memories of their experience with the Russians over the Gorshkov.

 

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CptQ       7/14/2009 1:20:12 AM

Sounds like they'd have been ahead to build from scratch. If they weren't technically capable of building a carrier ask the Brits, the Italians, the French, the Americans. Maybe even bought a couple of the carriers the French or the US were decommissioning.


Any one of those options would have been better than the deal they got into with the Russians.

 
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cwDeici       7/14/2009 2:46:49 AM
It'd also be more expensive than 2.2 or 3 billion, but I agree with you.
 
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pmukherjee       7/14/2009 5:26:03 AM

That is where we got taken for a ride. The initial price tag and the delivery timeline were very attractive, made it look like a dream project. Also unlike the US and European ACs being decomissioned, the Gorshkov hardly had any mileage on it which made it as good as new.

 
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bartrat       7/14/2009 12:48:02 PM

That is where we got taken for a ride. The initial price tag and the delivery timeline were very attractive, made it look like a dream project. Also unlike the US and European ACs being decomissioned, the Gorshkov hardly had any mileage on it which made it as good as new.


Too bad the Russians are not treating India well in this project. I will be interested to see in the future where India buys its weapons. My guess is that US will get more future orders, and other western countries also.
 
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Bonjour       7/15/2009 9:28:44 PM
India is basically out of options now.  US arms exports are subject to Congressional vetting and supervision with its attendant distractions and contingencies, something unpleasant to Indians who are always suspicious of supply disruption during a conflict.  Soviets were friends but Russians are trainee capitalists and don't really know how to execute efficient defence deals.  The Soviet attitude was "take whatever you want and we will discuss price and payment mechanism later".  Often it was barter, with Indians exporting mangoes, rugs and textiles to buy MIGs and Tanks. After 1991, post-Soviets, Indians have been in a pickle and total panic.  As a result, there is a fundamental shift now to develop an indigenous arms industry, however, the base to start from is negligible.  Traditionally Indians have used public sector firm DRDO to develop arms, however DRDO has repeatedly proven itself to be disasterously run organization.  Foreign arms deals are also a conduit for kickbacks to fight elections so in-home efforts are routinely sabotaged.  The Gorshkov imbroglio demonstrates what happens to fools who bargain from a weak position.  Russians know Indians can't make their own aircraft carriers right now, going to Europeans won't be cost effective, can't get it from US, so what choice does India has? They could play Indians for suckers and they did.  
 
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pmukherjee       7/17/2009 1:31:14 PM

India is basically out of options now.  US arms exports are subject to Congressional vetting and supervision with its attendant distractions and contingencies, something unpleasant to Indians who are always suspicious of supply disruption during a conflict.  Soviets were friends but Russians are trainee capitalists and don't really know how to execute efficient defence deals.  The Soviet attitude was "take whatever you want and we will discuss price and payment mechanism later".  Often it was barter, with Indians exporting mangoes, rugs and textiles to buy MIGs and Tanks. After 1991, post-Soviets, Indians have been in a pickle and total panic.  As a result, there is a fundamental shift now to develop an indigenous arms industry, however, the base to start from is negligible.  Traditionally Indians have used public sector firm DRDO to develop arms, however DRDO has repeatedly proven itself to be disasterously run organization.  Foreign arms deals are also a conduit for kickbacks to fight elections so in-home efforts are routinely sabotaged.  The Gorshkov imbroglio demonstrates what happens to fools who bargain from a weak position.  Russians know Indians can't make their own aircraft carriers right now, going to Europeans won't be cost effective, can't get it from US, so what choice does India has? They could play Indians for suckers and they did.  


Mr Bonjour, you have just demonstrated your wisdom and education by calling a nation of a billion, a nation of fools. I dont know which corner of the planet you inhabit but I wish you well. Dont worry, we shall overcome, without assistance from the likes of you. 
 
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Heorot    pmukherjee   7/17/2009 5:05:02 PM
Nil content.
 
What he said is basically a valid assessment of Indias position. Corruption amongst Indias high officials is well documents. You should look at the Arjun project as an example of mismanagement and misappropriation of funds.
 
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bartrat       7/18/2009 2:20:38 PM
BoIndia is not quite without options. I am sure the USA would GIVE the Kitty Hawk to India (it could save millions in scrapping costs). The idea has been floated before by the US. The strings are having to buy used aircraft with it [but maybe could be avoided... maybe]. Kitty Hawk may have 10 years of useful life left, maybe more. The big problem is that is a big carrier and it is old, but India could get it quickly..
 
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bartrat       7/18/2009 2:21:27 PM

BoIndia is not quite without options. I am sure the USA would GIVE the Kitty Hawk to India (it could save millions in scrapping costs). The idea has been floated before by the US. The strings are having to buy used aircraft with it [but maybe could be avoided... maybe]. Kitty Hawk may have 10 years of useful life left, maybe more. The big problem is that is a big carrier and it is old, but India could get it quickly..


I am a bad speller. BoIndia, should be India.
 
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