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P-3ski Plays To The Cameras

March 23, 2009: Two Russian Il-38 maritime patrol aircraft staged a publicity exercise last week, when they flew, at low altitude (500 feet), over a U.S. aircraft carrier off the coast of South Korea. Later, two Russian Tu-142 maritime patrol aircraft flew over another U.S. warship (the USS Blue Ridge, a command and control ship) at 2,000 feet.

Russian maritime patrol aircraft have largely been grounded since the early 1990s, but in the last five years, more money was allocated to get more of these aircraft operational and in the air. The Russian patrol aircraft still fly far less than their American counterparts, so high visibility stunts like this are seen as necessary to make the most of the money invested in getting their naval air force back in action. The 176 Il-38 built are similar to the 757 U.S. P-3 Orions. There are still 161 American P-3s in service, and it is being replaced by the P-8. There are nearly a hundred P-3s in service by other nations.

Russia has about 30 Il-38s in service. There are five Il-38s in use by India. Like the P-3, the Il-38 is a variant of a civil airliner (in this case, the Ilyushin Il-20). The Il-38 showed up in the late 1960s, while the American maritime patrol aircraft was introduced early in the decade. Unlike the P-3, the Il-38 does not carry under wing hard points for anti-ship missiles. In part, this is due to the fact that the Soviets (and later the Russians) had plenty of other aircraft for the long-range maritime strike role (the Tu-16 Badger, the Tu-22 Blinder, and the Tu-22M Backfire). The Il-38 and Tu-142 Bear-F were also intended to operate in a more defensive role (destruction of NATO submarines trying to penetrate into the Barents Sea). The Tu-142 Bear-F, is a variant of a strategic bomber, the Tu-95 Bear. This results in about 50 percent more range than the Il-38 (12,550 kilometers versus 7,200 kilometers for the Il-38). This aircraft can fly from Bombay to Johannesburg without refueling.

Over the last six years, Russia has developed an upgrade program for Il-38s. Refurbished Il-38s have sensors that enable them to detect surface vessels, aircraft and submarines up to 150 kilometers away. Mines can be detected a few kilometers away, depending on their type. The sensors include a synthetic aperture/inverse synthetic aperture radar (for night and fog operations), high-resolution FLIR (forward-looking infrared), LLTV (low light television) camera, new ESM (electronic support measures) system and a new MAD (magnetic anomaly detector). The aircraft can now carry antiship missiles, in addition to torpedoes, bombs, depth charges and electronic decoys. The refurb is expected to keep the aircraft viable until about 2020. India is upgrading its Il-38s, but only a few Russian aircraft are getting the same treatment. P-3s have always had much more modern and powerful equipment than the Il-38.

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gf0012-aust       3/23/2009 5:19:23 AM
The Indian Il-38's are designated Il-38SD (for Sea Dragon - the russian fitted ASW and ISR suite)

My understanding is that there were some difficulties with this upgrade and it still does not perform as claimed. 

Sea Dragon is also claimed to be able to search out to just over 300km, so I think there might be a conversion error in the above (ie poss 150miles not 150km).

Either way they got dudded, they could have had better and newer aircraft for the price they paid for a dubious capability in an airframe that suffers from kapton cabling problems etc...  AFAIK the russians never replaced the main harness. 
 
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Phaid       3/23/2009 4:52:07 PM
Not sure why the story omits this, but in both cases the Russian aircraft were escorted by F/A-18s.
 
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Softwar       3/23/2009 4:59:09 PM
We'll gosh - that only lends supporting facts to the free transit of international airspace and waters.
 
In short, yeah they flew over.  Yeah, we escorted them in an out.  Yeah, no one is shooting so there is not a heck of alot we can do about it because its perfectly legal by international law.
 
Now if only the guys in Beijing would get the same idea ... we'd all be a bit happier and sleep a bit better at night.
 
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carlos       3/23/2009 6:34:19 PM
we would all sleep a bit better when u americuns mind your own business. the world would be a better place
 
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DeadAdmiral       3/23/2009 6:57:08 PM
The last time I got to "work" with Papa 3s, was back in 89.  At that time they have better sensors, and weapons options than the Mays do nowadays.  Hmmm... 20 years later and the Mays STILL aren't even close capabilities of a bird that is being retired?  Gotta love that communist industrialism, eh?  Oh, we got overflown by a Bear...  It was escorted by two Tomcats.  Nothing like a post that leaves out part of the story.
 
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HERALD1357    You are welcome, dummy.   3/23/2009 7:07:50 PM
Let's see....if we were like you.......
we would all sleep a bit better when u americuns mind your own business. the world would be a better place

.........no internet for you to post your drivel and no freedom with which to speak your lack of a mind.
 
But then again, if we minded our business and stayed home you would be DEAD.
 
Think about that, stupid, and then get down on your knees and thank whatever moronic superstition you believe in, that there are AMERICANS to keep a coward and non-reasoning fool like you safe in your own little delusional world.
 
Herald
 

 
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chrism101       3/25/2009 9:51:31 AM
Yes its so wonderful, that the article fails to mention the whole entirety of the navy that tracked these aircraft, from the instant they left soviet airspace. And that the carrier strike group could have destroyed any of these at will should they present a threat. The Point is  Russia , We Let you Fly over our carrier. At 500 feet Phalanx alone could've shredded the pathetic Russian Aircraft.
 
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carlos    herald1357   3/27/2009 1:15:24 AM
you guys are too arrogant, cannot understand diplomacy.  if you are all more diplomatic then you would be welcome in most places.  unfortunately u think u own the world. but unfortunately the world dislike u all.  try some humility.  not arrogance.
 
 
 
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