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Taliban Flak Wagons Trashed

April 24, 2009: In southern Afghanistan, Afghan civilians tipped off foreign troops that the Taliban were mounting Russian made 14.5mm machine-gun on the backs trucks and were apparently planning to use it against military helicopters. In both cases, air reconnaissance confirmed the reports, and both 14.5mm machine-guns were destroyed with smart bombs, once the vehicles clear of civilians. Anti-aircraft weapons mounted in trucks are called flak (after the German term for anti-aircraft guns) wagons.

Both weapons appeared to be the old Soviet ZPU-1 anti-aircraft machine-guns. These weapons have sights for firing at low flying aircraft. The machine-gun itself weighs nearly 200 pounds, and a complete ZPU-1 weighs nearly half a ton. The effective (aimed) range of the 14.5mm machine-gun is 1,400 meters (4,300 feet). Several American helicopters were shot down by these weapons in Iraq, and last year, Sudanese rebels brought down a government MiG-29 that came in low to fire on them as they were making a surprise raid on the capital. Coalition fixed wing aircraft (except for the A-10) rarely come lower than 3-4,000 meters, to avoid such machine-gun fire.

What apparently angered the villagers was the fact that the Taliban were practicing with the 14.5 machine-gun outside a village market. The 14.5mm bullets can travel up to 8,000 meters, and even at that maximum range, the two ounce slugs can kill or wound whoever gets hit. Older Afghans have bitter memories of the Russians using their many 14.5mm machine-guns (which were mounted on most armored vehicles) indiscriminately. The maximum rate of fire of the 14.5mm machine-gun is 600 rounds a minute, and it is usually fired in short bursts of 5-20 rounds.

Many 14.5mm machine-guns were left over from the 1980s war with the Russians, although most were collected by the government in the past few years, in a campaign to get a lot of these heavy weapons (including mortars and light artillery) out of the hands of civilians. But many of these heavy weapons were not turned in. U.S. Marines had been picking up information from villagers that the Taliban were offering big money for anyone who had a 14.5mm machine-gun hidden away. Some Afghans did, and finally unloaded the weapons (which is why Afghans tend to horde weapons and ammo, even things they don't need themselves). The two that were destroyed were put back in working order, and there are probably more around. The U.S. will probably respond by offering to beat the Taliban price, a tactic that has worked in the past.

The 14.5mm machine-gun is the Russian answer to the U.S. 12.7mm weapon. The U.S. 12.7mm weapon entered service in the early 1920s, with the Russian 14.5mm following over twenty years later, after World War II.

 

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Garandguy       4/24/2009 12:25:11 PM
A point of clarification:  My German is quite poor but IIRC FLAK is the acronym for 'FLieger Abwehr Kanone'  or loosely translated as 'gun against flying'.  This approach also applies to PAK; the acronym for  'Panzer Abwehr Kanone' which would be an anti-armor gun (towed artillery or vehichle mounted).  The Germans would use FLAK for a designation for the gun itself (by task) regardless of if it was towed artillery or a SP AA vehicle such as a Wirbelwind (20mm quad mount on a Panzer IV chassis).
 
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Nasty German Idiot       4/24/2009 4:14:57 PM
Almost correct.
 
Flak = short form of "Fliegerabwehrkanone"  [ Flieger -abwehr - kanone  /   "aircraft - defense - gun"]

Pak  "Panzerabwehrkanone"  [ "tank - defense - gun"]
 
 
Good that these Taliban-Flaks were knocked out, given the high number of casualties if they are succesful in downing a heli.  Read somewhere the Somalian Pirates brought 4 Russian Zu-23 anti-aircraft guns, possibly taken from the Ukrainian vessel they captured lately. 
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       4/24/2009 4:17:39 PM
Now I wasnt correct with the translation into english, more precise would be :  ^^
 
"aircraft - defense - cannon"
 
and "tank - defense - cannon"
 
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YelliChink       4/25/2009 4:51:48 AM
Another note.
 
14.5x115 was first developed with PTRD and PTRS as anti-tank rounds. The rapid development of armor made PTRD and PTRS outdated. 14.5x115 is the same class bullet to .55 Boys, but more powerful. Its muzzle energy is 3 times that of .50BMG. Russian equivalent to .50BMG is 12.7x108mm Soviet rounds used in DShK and NSV.
 
Russian use of 14.5mm machineguns more or less the same way Germans and Allies use their 20mm flak during WW2. That is partly due to Russian 20x99R cannon cartridge is inferior to 20x110 used by Allies. Later, they went up to develop 23mm and never deployed 20mm cannons.
 
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