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Subject: ww2 Yamato vs Iowa class
capt soap    9/17/2005 12:55:11 PM
How would this fight turn out? the Iowa's 16 inch guns against the Yamato 18 guns? The iowa had radar,which one would sink the other 1 on 1.
 
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Herald12345       6/29/2009 11:27:23 AM
Don't use wiki, EVER, if you can help it.


We needed carriers and we needed them yesterday. We only had so much steel, work force, and TIME.
 
Herald
 
As to the German super-ships, who cares about fantasy? Six years on the weighs is scrap metal we use to rebuild Europe in 1944, because the year that Doenitz bought Hitler never happens (no U boats). The Germans had only so much steel and TIME too. 
 
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Leech       6/29/2009 11:37:06 AM

Don't use wiki, EVER, if you can help it.








We needed carriers and we needed them yesterday. We only had so much steel, work force, and TIME.

 

Herald


 

As to the German super-ships, who cares about fantasy? Six years on the weighs is scrap metal we use to rebuild Europe in 1944, because the year that Doenitz bought Hitler never happens (no U boats). The Germans had only so much steel and TIME too. 


I was asking hypotetical question, yust like this "Yamato vs. Iowa" is. Neither Yamato or Iowa ever saw each other, and it is same situation with their sister-ships. I think that Iowas never fired their main guns on enemy battleship during WWII.
 
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Herald12345    Space battleship Yamato is hypothertical by your criteria.   6/29/2009 12:49:35 PM




Don't use wiki, EVER, if you can help it.




















We needed carriers and we needed them yesterday. We only had so much steel, work force, and TIME.



 



Herald






 



As to the German super-ships, who cares about fantasy? Six years on the weighs is scrap metal we use to rebuild Europe in 1944, because the year that Doenitz bought Hitler never happens (no U boats). The Germans had only so much steel and TIME too. 







I was asking hypotetical question, yust like this "Yamato vs. Iowa" is. Neither Yamato or Iowa ever saw each other, and it is same situation with their sister-ships. I think that Iowas never fired their main guns on enemy battleship during WWII.

US and Japanese battleships actually met each other TWICE. Two Iowas and the one surviving Yamato missed each other by six hours. It would have been a desperate fight for all involved as the Taffys were low on bombs, Kurita was low on shells, Oldendorf (the only competent admiral present besides Clifton Sprague) was still a couple of hours away as was McCain. Halsey with his litttle rumpass fleet was outnumbered four battleships to two. 
 
Its likely, THEN, we would have lost an Iowa, or both of them present, because Halsey was as lousy in a sirface battle as he was as a fleet commander. Oldendorf would probably get the Yamato and finish off Kurita in revenge, but then who cares? 5000 more US dead is a rather stiff price to pay for the mistakes of a COMPLETE idiot just to satisfy a what if. Air attack was the RIGHT way to kill a Yamato..     
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Herald
 
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Leech       6/29/2009 3:06:11 PM







Does anyone have any data on ROF between these 2 Juggernaughts?







I don't have any hard info, but I'd guess the Iowa would have a higher ROF.



Combined with more accurate gunnery (radar aside)I'd have to go with the Iowa's coming out on top of this clash. (I suppose the Iowa's were powerful enough that there was no need for the the Montana's. Now that would have been very one sided Yamato V Montana!)







Just my 2c










Montana was cancelled beacouse US Navy needed more Iowas to escort their aircraft carriers. Montana was just too slow for that.




We needed aircraft carriers desperately and the scarce steel was diverted to Midways. Even the Iowas were stopped after the initial four  for that reason.


There were 4 Iowas built out of 6 ordered, and 25 Essex class CVN's built out of 32 ordered. Not to count 9 Intrepid class CVN and tens of escort carriers. So much about desperate need for carriers. Essex class alone surpassed entire Japanese carrier fleet in terms of numbers and aircrafts carried.
 
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Leech       6/29/2009 3:25:13 PM










Don't use wiki, EVER, if you can help it.












































We needed carriers and we needed them yesterday. We only had so much steel, work force, and TIME.







 







Herald














 







As to the German super-ships, who cares about fantasy? Six years on the weighs is scrap metal we use to rebuild Europe in 1944, because the year that Doenitz bought Hitler never happens (no U boats). The Germans had only so much steel and TIME too. 

















I was asking hypotetical question, yust like this "Yamato vs. Iowa" is. Neither Yamato or Iowa ever saw each other, and it is same situation with their sister-ships. I think that Iowas never fired their main guns on enemy battleship during WWII.




US and Japanese battleships actually met each other TWICE. Two Iowas and the one surviving Yamato missed each other by six hours. It would have been a desperate fight for all involved as the Taffys were low on bombs, Kurita was low on shells, Oldendorf (the only competent admiral present besides Clifton Sprague) was still a couple of hours away as was McCain. Halsey with his litttle rumpass fleet was outnumbered four battleships to two. 


 

Its likely, THEN, we would have lost an Iowa, or both of them present, because Halsey was as lousy in a sirface battle as he was as a fleet commander. Oldendorf would probably get the Yamato and finish off Kurita in revenge, but then who cares? 5000 more US dead is a rather stiff price to pay for the mistakes of a COMPLETE idiot just to satisfy a what if. Air attack was the RIGHT way to kill a Yamato..     


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Herald

Only real US-Jap battleship meetings would be Washington + South Dakota vs. Kirishima. Kirishima was sunk there by Washington, and South Dakota was heavily damaged (she closed on only 4500 m from Japanese fleet) and battle of Surigao strait, where admiral Kinkaid destroyed Japanese fleet under command of admiral Nishimura. Nishimura lost 2 battleships and 3 destroyers while 1 heavy cruiser is damaged and sunk by planes in the morning, while Shima lost 1 light cruiser and 1 destroyer.
 
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Herald12345    You forget First Guadalcanal?   6/29/2009 3:39:22 PM
I did. And none of what you said; changes anything I said one iota either on fact or outcome..
 
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Leech       6/29/2009 3:40:25 PM
Halsey was under orders to "protect desant place" but in the order it was explicitly said that if he gets a chance to destroy some large Japanese fleet, that comes to first place. His only mistake was that he has not informed Kinkaid about that. Also, he informed Kinkaid of assembling TF 34 of fast battleships (4 fast battleships, 2 heavy cruisers, 3 light cruisers and 2 destroyer flotillas) which was to guard the strait, but he never assebled it, beacouse he thought that central fleet is retreating (also, US aviators reported much heavier losses of central Japanese fleet than were in reality), and that north Japanese fleet is too strong to allow him to divide forces, and he never informed Kinkaid about change in the plan.
 
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Herald12345    Don't teach a sourp0uss how to suck lemons   6/29/2009 3:44:28 PM
 
I'm something of an EXPERT.on that idiot.
 
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Leech    Torpedo Protection   6/30/2009 4:34:25 AM
How good was Yamato-class underwater protection? Mushashi took 26 torpedos and 30 bombs, while Yamato took "only" 10 torpedos and 5 bombs. Prince of Wales took 7 torpedoes and 5 bombs, while Repulse took 5 torpedoes (however, after 4 torpedoes it was already obvious that she will sunk). West Virginia was sunk after 6 torpedoes (Oklahoma took 15 torpedoes, but it was unnecessary).
 
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stbretnco    Underwater protection?   6/30/2009 4:38:32 AM
Yamato and Muashi took a beating........
 
But the vessel which shows how flawed the protection system was is IJN Shinano. Built on a Yamato hull with INCREASED protection.
 
4 inferior Mk14 torps at the 10' line and she was gone.
 
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