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Subject: Will there be a new Korean War?
gcw1995    6/1/2005 7:55:06 AM
I would like other opinions on the possibility of a future Korean War. Who will be involved? How do we(U.S.)win? Is it better to first strike from the sea? How many casualties? Would the North use nuclaer weapons? I don't believe that they would. For fear of an outstanding alliance of nations to retaliate. I would like other opinions to this subject.
 
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sp2    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/21/2005 3:31:06 PM
"How do we(U.S.)win?" I would like to help you but you are being dillusional. The truth is that there is no guarantee that the U.S will or can win. Otherwise why aren't the U.S there?
 
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displacedjim    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/21/2005 6:08:15 PM
America could conquer many dozens of countries around the world. Why haven't we done it? Not having done it is by no means any sort of evidence that we can't do it or would even have any difficulty doing it. On top of that, he didn't state or even hint at any such idea that it was guaranteed that we would win. However, if a war began and America as a nation decided to win, there is no question but that we could make North Korea the 51st state if we wanted to. The main issues are how to do it with the least casualties and damage to ourselves, our allies, and even to North Korea. Displacedjim
 
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sp2    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/22/2005 2:47:23 AM
"On top of that, he didn't state or even hint at any such idea that it was guaranteed that we would win. However, if a war began and America as a nation decided to win, there is no question but that we could make North Korea the 51st state if we wanted to. The main issues are how to do it with the least casualties and damage to ourselves, our allies, and even to North Korea." This is exactly what I am talking about. Morons like you probably think U.S deserve to run the world. So tell me mr. wiseguy what would you do when a nuke is headed for ya? Don't be to quick to yell out patriot missile because it is a joke and you are still a big moron. Why don't you state or even hint to all of us how your country is stealing oil from Iraq?
 
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sp2    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/22/2005 2:47:23 AM
"On top of that, he didn't state or even hint at any such idea that it was guaranteed that we would win. However, if a war began and America as a nation decided to win, there is no question but that we could make North Korea the 51st state if we wanted to. The main issues are how to do it with the least casualties and damage to ourselves, our allies, and even to North Korea." This is exactly what I am talking about. Morons like you probably think U.S deserve to run the world. So tell me mr. wiseguy what would you do when a nuke is headed for ya? Don't be to quick to yell out patriot missile because it is a joke and you are still a big moron. Why don't you state or even hint to all of us how your country is stealing oil from Iraq?
 
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sp2    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/22/2005 2:47:23 AM
"On top of that, he didn't state or even hint at any such idea that it was guaranteed that we would win. However, if a war began and America as a nation decided to win, there is no question but that we could make North Korea the 51st state if we wanted to. The main issues are how to do it with the least casualties and damage to ourselves, our allies, and even to North Korea." This is exactly what I am talking about. Morons like you probably think U.S deserve to run the world. So tell me mr. wiseguy what would you do when a nuke is headed for ya? Don't be to quick to yell out patriot missile because it is a joke and you are still a big moron. Why don't you state or even hint to all of us how your country is stealing oil from Iraq?
 
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displacedjim    RE:Will there be a new Korean War?   6/22/2005 12:41:49 PM
"This is exactly what I am talking about. Morons like you probably think U.S deserve to run the world. So tell me mr. wiseguy what would you do when a nuke is headed for ya? Don't be to quick to yell out patriot missile because it is a joke and you are still a big moron. Why don't you state or even hint to all of us how your country is stealing oil from Iraq?" -- sp2 ---- Once again you assume facts not in evidence. Please quote me where I've said anything of the sort. Actually if you weren't just a China Internet Brigade troll that's popped in for a day or three looking to insult Americans, you'd know that I frequently post my opinion that non-interventionism (what some call "isolationism") is the correct foreign policy, and that the U.S. military is larger than it needs to be if it were only required to fulfill its legitimate missions under the Constitution and the ideals of the Founding Fathers. What I would do when a nuke is headed for me is very possibly die or be severly injured. What America would do is destroy the country that delivered it. What North Korea will NOT be doing for the near future at least is delivering a nuke on me via missile, as they can't now and won't be able to for another ten years at a bare minimum. I don't state or even hint to all of you how our country is stealing oil from Iraq because you just introduced that idea into a thread about fighting North Korea and a discussion about Iraq is not pertinent to the subject of this thread. Take that America-bashing sh!t over to the Iraq board if you're looking for someone to tell you how deluded you are about Iraq. Displacedjim
 
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ProDemocracy    RE:Will there be a new Korean War? - SP2 and DisplacedJim   7/2/2005 8:51:03 AM
"So tell me mr. wiseguy what would you do when a nuke is headed for ya?" The difference between my country and whatever country you are from (I have some guesses) is that the United States will not WAIT for a nuclear missle to be headed its way before either taking out the country who dares send it or complete our missle defense shield...hmmm...perhaps we are close to complete the shield and then you might see the US take out N Korea. To answer the question at hand, I believe that the US/Allied ability to execute amphibious landings will help alot, I believe the N Korean army will largely defect (but let me take that out of the equation and assume just the opposite)...the amphibious landings combined with a large S Korean army and our infinitely superior technology will mean some major casualties, but a fairly quick and decisive victory (I estimate 4-6 months). ANd for the record, if you are a Chinese gov't monitor, why are you so afraid of your people learning the truth? Give them access to this website and quit blocking their desire to learn...you and your gov't would be thrown out on its a#@ so fast your head would spin. Your political power rests only on ignorance and your economic success won't reach near it's potential until you change that.
 
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soopakrn    RE:Will there be a new Korean War? - SP2 and DisplacedJim   11/19/2005 9:50:32 PM
Do you really believe that if there was to be a war, it would end in four to six months? Let's go down to a smaller scale. For example, the Somalia incident back in the early 1990's. The sortie to capture top officials funding the genocide that was happening there. Originally the mission was planned so that it would not have taken more than an hour. That one single sortie consisting of US soldiers that should have lasted no more than an hour lasted for almost a day. Another fact you have to take into consideration is the spread of US troops over the globe. If US were to invade North Korea, it would require that the US call back all troops over seas and send them all to Korea. These other countries that the US has just left would be left vulnerable and would be invaded by countries that are willing to do so. So what's can the US do about that? Nothing. The troops that are currently placed where they are needs to remain where they are for US interests and the interest of the country where the troops are at. As far as number are concerned, North Korea does have the largest army in the world so far. However, all North Korean troops are stationed within North Korea. Which gives them the upper hand. Maritime opperations would result in high casualties also as the north does have large amounts of submarines and frigates. Let me ask this though. Is the US and the rest of the world ready for another Korea? Further more, if the allies did bomb North Korea first to take out military targets, Seoul is not that far from the DMZ and is definitely in range of North Korean nuclear weapons. You see, North Korea could care less if they had to launch a nuclear weapon that would result in the loss of their own citizens and soldiers. So without a government in that situation, Korea would collapse and be in a state of chaos. And what of Korean refugees? Can the US take in Korean refugees of war? Now then as for North Korea. Can they hold out for four to six months? Yes. Are they ready for an air battle? Quite possibly yes. Will they use nuclear weapons even with odds against them? Yes. Will they use nuclear weapons on the US? Most likely no. Will they use them on South Korea? You better believe it. In order to get numbers necessary to invade North Korea, US would possibly have to reinstate the draft again. Would the US be willing to bring back the draft? That is 50/50 but possibly no. Would the European countries be willing to offer aid? Would UN approve of this type of move? Whatever happens, all cautions must be taken in order to prevent another Korean War. Should it start, it could very well be the start of World War III and the end of human civilization as we know it today.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Will there be a new Korean War? - SP2 and DisplacedJim   11/20/2005 2:49:19 PM
As many of these threads have explained, there's almost no way America would unilaterally invade North Korea, because there's no reason for us to do so. About the only way I see that happening (just America v. North Korea) is when 10-20 years from now North Korea does make a few missiles that can reach America and North Korea makes insane moves to actually use them. Maybe after we use air strikes or just possibly (but very unlikely) even a limited nuclear attack to destroy the missiles and/or the capability to launch them, we might decide to really pound North Korea for a while, and somehow that might get out of control until we reach the point where we decide to invade. All-in-all, extremely unlikely if South Korea hasn't joined us in attacking North Korea somewhere in this process. If for whatever reason South Korea did join in, then I could see the decision being made that the time was right to finally resolve this absurd situation and go in to clean the commies out of Korea. The far more reasonable context for America be involved in land combat in Korea is if North and South Korea start shooting at each other and the Korean War resumes. In such a situation, American contribution would initially and probably foremost overall be air and sea power, with Army and Marine units providing some (albeit extremely able and important) degree of reinforcement of the ROKA main effort. In the air we would almost **immediately** gain air superiority over the South, and **rapidly** gain total air superiority over all of Korea. The NKAF is pathetic, and their SAM defenses aren't really a whole lot to worry about, either--although the North Koreans are excellent at digging in to their mountainous country and burning their IADS out of their holes will present difficulty at times. While North Korea's air defense has thousands and thousands of AAA, that won't count for squat against USAF/USN/USMC airpower, although the guns at the front may give the Army's helicopters some trouble at times. I'm not particularly familiar with North Korea's Navy, but I have difficulty believing it will be able to challenge the USN's ability to do whatever it wants. I defer to a squid for a more informed opinion on that. On land, the best North Korea can hope for is a scenario where we (America and South Korea) have to press north. If the North Koreans come south, they will get chopped to pieces by ROK and US land and air power in short order. If and when we push north, then whatever land forces the North Korean Army has left can fight from their caves, and I can see where cleaning them out eventually, whether as we move north or after, could take serious effort at significant risk. The single biggest/most likely danger to South Korea during resumption of the Korean War is at the beginning while great amounts of North Korean artillery are in range of Seoul. Depending on the scenario, large numbers of civilians may well still be present in the city for the period of time it takes to neutralize the North Korean artillery or push it back out of range. If the North Koreans decide to divert fire missions away from supporting their troops to trying to kill civilians, they certainly ought to be able to cause some dreadful casualties. Displacedjim
 
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Admiral Kirk    RE:Will there be a new Korean War? - SP2 and DisplacedJim   12/7/2005 6:49:50 PM
I agree. The chance of a 2nd war in Korea is minimal. I am not stating that it will not happen, althouth, it could. There is no question that the US could defeat North Korea. I am very sure the Chinese probably will intervene if the war did breakout and the US was winning the war. Perhaps the Russians will to. I do not think the Russians/Chinese enjoy the US being in thier back yard so to speak. Read a book written by Larry Bond that deals with this scenario. The book is called "Red Phoenix". Excellent book. In previous replies, I also agree, the biggest danger is the beginning of war operations in which, North Korea has some 13-14 thousand pieces of artillery pointed at Seoul. North Korea probably could advance a pretty good distance inside of South Korea before the US halts their progression. Admiral Kirk
 
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