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sofa    7/15/2007 12:15:28 PM
BROWN: DON'T SAY TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS Tuesday July 3,2007 By Macer Hall, Political Editor Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis. The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on terror” is to be dropped. The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. However, the change provoked claims last night that ministers are indulging in yet more political correctness. The sudden shift in tone emerged in comments by Mr Brown and Ms Smith in the wake of the failed attacks in London and Glasgow. Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language. “There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK,” the spokesman said. “It is important that the country remains united.” He confirmed that the phrase “war on terror” – strongly associated with Mr Blair and US President George Bush – has been dropped. Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks. Mr Brown himself did not refer to Muslims or Islam once in a BBC TV interview on Sunday. Ms Smith also avoided any such reference in her statement to MPs yesterday. She said: “Let us be clear – terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions. Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens. As a Government, as communities, as individuals, we need to ensure that the message of the terrorists is rejected.” Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.” But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 12:16:32 PM
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 12:20:28 PM
Until you accept the truth, you cannot deal with the reality.
 
Hello - my name is England and I am in denial.
 
 
 
 
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 12:27:59 PM
I hate "political correctness", and my jury is still out on Brown (especially his desire to bring in ID cards), but I think this is a very good move.

It's about time we dumped the American coined phrase "War on Terror". as quite frankly it's just a lame piece of political rhetoric.   To declare war on "terror" is inane.

I also agree with ending the political use of "Muslim terrorist", as it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists.  Those who are becoming ever more rabidly anti-Muslim may not like that little fact, but nonetheless it stands.  I am sure a great Muslims themselves would argue a "Good Muslim", does not partake in terrorism.  I think it far more reasonable to call those Muslims which are terrorists, "Radical/Extremist Muslim Terrorists", which is far more factual.

 
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sofa       7/15/2007 4:12:17 PM
 
not all germans were nazis. but we pounded them into submission to stop their murdering carnage.
 
 
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 4:20:59 PM
most of the army are not shooters.
 
tooth vs tail.
 
still makes them a vital part of the army.
 
as vital as the infrastructure back home to fund, organize, arm, and train the army.
 
 
 
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 4:30:26 PM
"It's about time we dumped the American coined phrase "War on Terror". as quite frankly it's just a lame piece of political rhetoric."
 
Agree.
Let's call it what it is: "Islams war against Civilization".
IWAC.
 
How about "Islam wants Nukes".
IWAN.
 
Let's just call it "IWAC and IWAN".
 
 
 
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sofa    delicate sensitivities   7/15/2007 4:42:27 PM
 "I am sure a great Muslims themselves would argue a "Good Muslim", does not partake in terrorism.  I think it far more reasonable to call those Muslims which are terrorists, "Radical/Extremist Muslim Terrorists", which is far more factual."

Don't be naive. The koran disagrees with you.

koran instructs muslims on terror strategy to defeat infidels. Good muslim? good nazis and bad nazis? good kkk and bad kkk? politically correct or islam enablers?

My family and I personally benefit greatly from the open arms of america and the west, the willingness to allow people individual freedoms. But murder and terror are not freedoms. And saying something is a religion doesn't grant facists, nazis, or kkk exclusion from western laws.  

Check out the "eternal wars" boards, where there are many threads detailing what's actually in the koran and what islam is compared to the PR campaign and naive western misunderstandings (especially if you are a muslim living in the west). The koran instructions on being a good muslim includes killing infidels, raping and murdering women and children. And afer the raping and killing of infidels, be nice to your family and friends; but you need to murder them if they cross you, or even if they offend your sense of honor. But be nice the rest of the time! Islam is facism. Not religion but a state, brutal and non-self-sustaining, organized around predatory notions. (mecca and medina and hadiths. my summary after years of scholarship. your own mileage may vary.)  The koran says a good muslim is murdering rapist terrorist, or someone who supports the same.  On what basis do you judge good vs bad muslim?

Are you arguing that your "good" only provide infrastructure and funds to support the murder, rather than actually pulling the trigger or lighting the fuze?

Don't believe the PR campaign. Read the koran, read history, and look at the worldwide campaign of terror. 

Good muslim? Good support staff? Good excusers? Good enablers?
 
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 5:04:16 PM
Do you read what you type, or do just sort of phase in and out there?


 
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sofa       7/15/2007 6:02:07 PM

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I also agree with ending the political use of "Muslim terrorist", as it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists.  Those who are becoming ever more rabidly anti-Muslim may not like that little fact, but nonetheless it stands.  I am sure a great Muslims themselves would argue a "Good Muslim", does not partake in terrorism.  [..]

Mohammed would disagree with your criteria of a good muslim.
He wrote a book about it, maybe you heard of it?
 
 
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 6:13:51 PM
Sofa, it is excellent that you are able to partake in freedom of speech and expression to such a degree.  In all seriousness however, you sound like a racist bigot with an axe to grind.  If you can't tell the difference between a muderous terrorist, and peaceful practitioners of a religion, or otherwise feel the need to paint the whole with the same tainted brush of the few, you clearly are small minded to say the least.  Go away.
 
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