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Subject: CVF's
NotUkOnly    4/14/2007 5:18:23 PM
Are these damn things ever going to be ordered??? T45's are we getting 6 or 8???
 
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Padfoot       4/14/2007 8:58:53 PM
Next couple of weeks.

Dunno.

 
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eldnah       4/14/2007 9:49:18 PM
To offer to this thread my so far unflagging opinion on this subject offered on other threads..... the three Invincibles, 21,000 ton fl, will be replaced by two 29,999.99999 ton,  fl, Super Cavours. So much for the RN as a serious Blue-water Navy.  I really, really, truly hope I am wrong.
 
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Padfoot       4/14/2007 9:52:36 PM

To offer to this thread my so far unflagging opinion on this subject offered on other threads..... the three Invincibles, 21,000 ton fl, will be replaced by two 29,999.99999 ton,  fl, Super Cavours. So much for the RN as a serious Blue-water Navy.  I really, really, truly hope I am wrong.

Don't worry, you're wrong.

 
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charris911       4/17/2007 3:58:40 PM
http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item453_carriers.htm
 
Do you think this is true, that we are going to loose 6 more frig/dest for the carriers?  What is going to escort them, or cover the S. Atl.
 
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Council34c       4/18/2007 12:32:37 PM
Simple answer is probably, the mod has already been told the money is there for it by the Treasury but are just waiting to sort out niggling details before they officially apply for the money and the main gate is passed. I'd imagine after a gap of about 3 years between ordering of the last Type 45 means that we are only getting 6, i imagine they will make a statement about future projects which will make up for the extra loss and then produce an even further scaled down order in a decade or so for the replacement of the type 23s and lacking type 45. That is of course if the govenment doesnt change in 2009 which there is a distict possibility of happening and would be good news for the MoDs budget and the size of the RN.
 
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UK-SubFan       4/18/2007 3:12:20 PM
Yep right before the scottish elections.  With the Govan yards building a fair number of blocks labour will look good and the SNP rubbish.
 
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perfectgeneral       4/18/2007 3:14:59 PM

Simple answer is probably, the mod has already been told the money is there for it by the Treasury but are just waiting to sort out niggling details before they officially apply for the money and the main gate is passed. I'd imagine after a gap of about 3 years between ordering of the last Type 45 means that we are only getting 6, i imagine they will make a statement about future projects which will make up for the extra loss and then produce an even further scaled down order in a decade or so for the replacement of the type 23s and lacking type 45. That is of course if the govenment doesnt change in 2009 which there is a distict possibility of happening and would be good news for the MoDs budget and the size of the RN.
Bit tory biased aren't you? I wouldn't vote for any party, but I can't see any evidence that the conservatives plan to spend more on defence nor increase the size of the RN. They have stated that they intend to cut public spending outside of health and education (so where does that leave defence?).

I've heard industry analysts speculate on an announcement of CVF production orders around the tenth of may. I doubt that we will hear anything until Gordon Brown is firmly in place at number ten and the existing development contract is about to expire. Sometime in late june.

If the RN can make a case for more Daring class (or new design equivalents), after the CVFs are built, then budgeting for it may be re-examined, but six is all we will see this side of the start of CVF production. Restarting a type 45 production line will cost more than adding orders now, but the money isn't available from the treasury. If you think that is bad economics you should check out the NHS unified IT project. They are really making a fist of it. It will cost over £12bn and won't work any better than the existing systems.

 
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Yimmy       4/18/2007 5:25:02 PM
What we need is vast privatisation of the public sector, and a reduction in taxes.  The military budget should be set at 3% of GDP by law, and the NHS should be reduced to A&E only, with the rest being private.

 
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perfectgeneral    Dragging things back on topic: CVF   4/21/2007 10:34:06 AM
The Sun announces CVF production

By no means an official announcement, but this government likes to leak things to favoured newspapers before confirming the rumour.

 
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