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Subject: British Military equipment exports? An industry in decline?
Herc the Merc    3/3/2007 7:07:45 PM
Besides Harriers, Hawks and Jaguars there really isn't anything that makes waves. Could anyone add to the British military export outlook?
 
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Padfoot    Decline? Au contraire!   3/3/2007 8:00:36 PM
The UK is the second largest arms exporter in the world and has, according to government figures, exported over $60 billion of military equipment in the past five years alone. Britain accounts for 14% of world arms exports the USA leads the way with 63.3%. France is third with 7.4%.

BAE Systems, GNK, Rolls Royce plc, QinetiQ, Smiths, VT group, Cobham, Babcock, these are just some of many British defence companies.

An industry in decline? I don't think so.



 
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Herc the Merc    Thx--Obviously I am wrong hehe   3/3/2007 8:11:06 PM

The UK is the second largest arms exporter in the world and has, according to government figures, exported over $60 billion of military equipment in the past five years alone. Britain accounts for 14% of world arms exports the USA leads the way with 63.3%. France is third with 7.4%.

BAE Systems, GNK, Rolls Royce plc, QinetiQ, Smiths, VT group, Cobham, Babcock, these are just some of many British defence companies.


An industry in decline? I don't think so.





 
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AdamB       3/7/2007 2:45:17 PM
Top 8 arms exporters in 2006
 
United States - $533,000,000
United Kingdom - $230,000,000
Russia - $130,000,000
Israel - $110,000,000
China - $100,000,000
Germany - $80,000,000
Canada - $5,000,000
France - $400,000
 
wikipedia.org
 
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Yimmy       3/7/2007 2:49:41 PM
That can't be correct.  UK 234 million, and France only 400 thousand?
 
Is there a list anywhere of exactly what we are supposed to be exporting?  It isn't like we sell major hardware that much these days, bar the odd destroyer.  We havent sold many Warriors or Challengers etc, and I don't think there have been many recent orders for Hawk et al.
 
Is this mostly profits from Typhoon?
 
 
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AdamB       3/7/2007 2:50:54 PM
 
The UK is the world's second biggest arms exporter, behind the United States, with a world market share of about 20%.
 
It claims to directly employ 350,000, spread over 11,000 firms, with as many as 1.2 million people relying on it for a living.
 
WEAPON COSTS
Eurofighter - $98m
Hawk trainer/fighter - $21m
Westland Super Lynx helicopter - $8m to $32m
Challenger II main battle tank - $8.9m
Scorpion light tank (Alvis Vickers) - $2.5m
BAE aircraft carrier - $2.4bn
Astute class submarine - $1.5bn
SA 80 rifle - $1,800
 
 
 
 
 
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AdamB       3/7/2007 2:54:22 PM
"That can't be correct.  UK 234 million, and France only 400 thousand?"
 
 
Those figures are correct - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_exports
 
Britain's IMPORTS of arms are worth just $19,000,000, whereas France's imports are $53,000,000 and Germany's $73,000,000
 
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AdamB       3/7/2007 2:56:06 PM
Go to ARMS INDUSTRY on wikipedia and you'll see the world's 8 biggest arms exporters.
 
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flamingknives       3/7/2007 4:16:06 PM
Using a couple of sources, rather than just one, it appears that the French value is wrong.

Apart from anything else, $400,000 is nothing in terms of military exports.

It's equivalent to four Javelin anti-tank guided missiles, or 200 LAW-type weapons or 1/10th of a tank or 1/100th of a jet fighter or 400 rifles. To honestly believe that France, who supply MILAN, ERYX, Mirage, Mistral, MICA and others would have that small an export value taxes credulity to breaking.

On top of the obvious, The UK sells ships (Vosper Thornycroft and decommissioned RN ships), manufactures under license (Manroy making FN MAG and .50" Browning), makes components for foreign weapons systems, Snipers rifles (Accuracy International), licenses weapons systems abroad (M777, M252 and M119), manufactures ammunition (Radway Green) and helicopters (Lynx, EH101/US101)
In addition to materiel, I think these export values include expertise.
 
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BadNews       3/7/2007 4:59:45 PM

Top 8 arms exporters in 2006
 

United States - $533,000,000

United Kingdom - $230,000,000

Russia - $130,000,000

Israel - $110,000,000

China - $100,000,000

Germany - $80,000,000

Canada - $5,000,000

France - $400,000

 

wikipedia.org



I believe that these figures are in thousands,
US $533 Trillion etc
 
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Yimmy       3/7/2007 5:00:12 PM
I have never heard of Manroy, but it is good that we maintain the expertise of making the FN MAG.  It is stupid to put a value to the SA-80 when we no longer can make them.
 
 
 
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