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Subject: CVF Threatened?
Nimrod    7/31/2006 11:32:26 PM
from Update 17/6/2006. A report by Robert Fox in the Evening Standard of 12 June 2006, stated: Under next year's Comprehensive Spending Review, the Treasury has warned that the defence budget will have to be cut, threatening a number of major projects including plans to build two aircraft carriers. Chancellor Gordon Brown also wants £1bn taken from defence and given to the budget for homeland security, according to Whitehall officials. 'It is a major defence review and cut under any other name" said a senior official of next year's spending plans, which have already completed their first stage. .... Ahead of the spending review to April 2008, defence chiefs have already been told that 'at least one major procurement programme has to go'. The most obvious candidate, say several senior officers, is the plan to build two 60,000-tonne aircraft carriers, due to be commissioned in 2012 and 2015. ... Labour's blueprint for defence and foreign policy in the Strategic Defence Review of 1998 first introduced the plan to build the aircraft carriers as a vital tool for overseas operations. The programme was due to go to final construction contract in October but this will almost certainly be postponed.
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giblets    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/1/2006 3:58:38 AM
Its disgusting that they are stretching the forces to breaking point already,t hen announcing yet another cut because of Gordon Browns misnamagement of the economy, with public dept rising, and missing almost every financial forcast.
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Yimmy    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/1/2006 12:37:54 PM
"Chancellor Gordon Brown also wants £1bn taken from defence and given to the budget for homeland security, according to Whitehall officials." He wants to suck my what? Surely "Homeland Security", comes under the mission statement of Defence?!
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Lawman    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/1/2006 1:18:42 PM
Homeland security = spending more money on 'social' projects, and 'community liaison officers' to 'improve relations' etc... Basically, it is yet another instance of Gordon Brown trying to emasculate UK forces. Homeland security should get funded, properly, but it should not mean raping the defence budget! I think the time has come for a change of chancellor, and I do not mean moving him into Number 10... This country genuinely needs a party that is willing to properly fund UK forces - stop flushing more money down the NHS drain, and stop funding ridiculous projects. As PG and I have advocated many times, the time has come to increase defence spending to 3% GDP, and buy at least a third CVF!
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Forest    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/1/2006 1:31:11 PM
Q Who said this in 1997: "A strong defence capability is an essential part of Britain’s foreign policy … By 1999 defence spending will have fallen to 2.6 percent of GDP … The people who have had to bear the burden of these cuts are our servicemen and women, overstretched and under strength as never before. The strain on our Armed Forces is huge. We have a continuing commitment in Northern Ireland. Our forces operate in the Gulf, the Balkans, Africa, the Falklands, Cyprus, Hong Kong, Gibraltar, Germany and other parts of the world all at once" A: Blair, before the Gen. election.
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Donkey    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/1/2006 4:51:18 PM
Couple of things worth thinking over here guys… Most of the CVF will be built in Scottish yards, no Scottish MP is going to kill off jobs in his own doorstep. It’s spending review time again, all departments are going to start saying we need more cash or cuts to be made. Most of us that trawl these sites are military minded, we have an interest in a strong defence, we have either served in the forces, want to (wanted to) or work in the defence sector. But most of the electorate couldn’t care less about defence, they don’t like wars, don’t like military matters. Going into a general election any party that says it will divert hospital money to build a third CVF (rather have 2 more LPH) would be branded as child murders & loose . Well that’s my thoughts anyway Donk
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paperplane_uk    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/2/2006 6:37:57 AM
Brown has already had his pound of flesh from the navy, by retiring a third of it before it's time over the last couple of years. If they dont build the carriers we might as well give up any worldwide ambition and become a coastal patrol force.
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paperplane_uk    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/2/2006 6:41:03 AM
P.s. isn't it also suprising that the programmes to be cut are from the navy. With the new chief of staff being air force they would cut the RAF now would they? Even though they just spent about the same amount of money as the carriers will cost on twelve new Nimrod aircraft 12 planes vs 2 65,000 dwt carriers and they think the navy is wasting money!!!!
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giblets    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/2/2006 10:45:23 AM
Not sure what they could cut from the RAF, Typhoon has been made so expensive to cancel it is almost cheaper to mothball them on delivery, Nimrod, just signed. That leaves MRTT, with our current fleet with less than 5 years left, so unlikely though possibly cut(?), and the Airbus A400m being about the only possibilty. Either way the governments attittude is disgusting.
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Yimmy    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/2/2006 10:55:36 AM
"Either way the governments attittude is disgusting." Indeed. We seem to have our procurment policy completely backwards at the moment to me. What I personally think we need, is to prioritise on long range tactical transports such as A400M, new helicopter transports such as Chinook and Super Lynx, the two new aircraft carriers and amphibious assets, along with new grass roots infantry equipment, such as the FIST programe. All this wanting fast jets etc is a joke in todays climate. To go for a land based air superiority aircraft over a multi-role carrier capable V/TOL aircraft is stupid to say the least.
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eldnah    RE:CVF Threatened?   8/2/2006 11:07:54 AM
With the exception of the Falklands has a combat mission been flown off a British warship in the last 50 years? Other than defending a few far-flung outposts of the old Empire what purpose would the CVF's serve other than to show the Americans that Britain can be a useful ally and give Britain some influence in American decisions?
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