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Subject: Seven Years War AKA French And Indian War in North America?
CJH    3/8/2005 11:31:12 AM
Assuming I have the right location for this, I have read that with respect to the war in North America the British Navy turned the tide against the French. This was by the blockade mainly of the Gulf of St. Lawrence to prevent the French from resupplying their forces. What do you think about the role of sea power inthis war?
 
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verdunjp    RE:Seven Years War AKA French And Indian War in North America?   3/10/2005 1:30:23 PM
Hi CJH, I don't know if power of the sea had realy make a difference in the seven years war in America because I did not read that any blocus had prevent french reinforcement or supply. Anyway and according to me, the sort of North America was not played in North America but in Europe. The winner of the seven years war in Europe was certain to keep or or take back North America by a treaty. That explains why France did much in Europe than in North America. So, according to me, british navy was not a major point in the seven years wars in America. Regards, JP
 
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CJH    RE:Seven Years War AKA French And Indian War in North America?   3/10/2005 9:13:38 PM
verdunjp, Yes. Well there was the battle on the "Plains of Abraham" at Quebec in which the army of British general Wolff defeated the army of French general Montcalm. But that was at the conclusion of the war on land in America. In America before that, the French were winning every battle against the British and the colonists. They appeared unstoppable. There was every reason to expect a French victory to be inevitable. But it was the gradual weakening of the French land forces brought on by the naval blockade that changed things as I have read. verdunjp, did you know there was also a war in India going on at the same time as the wars in Europe and America? I have read parts of Captain Alfred Thayer Mahan's "The Influence of Seapower On History". Mahan goes into detail about the encounters between the French and British fleets off the coast of India during the Seven Years War. The British and their Indian allies were fighting the French and their Indian allies on land in India at the same time. I remember someone saying the Seven Years War was the first world war because it was fought in North America, Europe and India.
 
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verdunjp    RE:To CJH about Seven Years War in India    3/23/2005 12:39:23 PM
I know that battles occured in India during the seven years war. But my knowledge about it is not good. Maybe british fleet's role was crucial overthere? Let me know. Best regards, Verdunjp
 
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Hastati    RE:To CJH about Seven Years War in India    9/9/2005 5:04:59 PM
Yes it is true to say that British Navy turned the tide against the French. But I will correct a couple of things about French and Indian War. Between 1754 and 1758, war was going almost nowhere for Brithish armies. It dosen't mean that French was winning. Far from that. Yes several forts change of hand in one side or another. Yes Canadians and their indian allies won must battle again English North american troops. But not a simgle important city was taken and fighting capability of the 13 colonies was intact. In 1758, William Pitt become Prime minister of Great Britain and change the whole war strategy. He first gave money to Prussian army, then invest huge amount of money in the Navy. He want to cut of France from her colonies and successfully did it. France was unable to send renforcement in Canada. Between 1758 and 1759 only a couple of regiments (like the "elite" Royal Roussillon) travel toward New France or India. Worst, in summer 1758, A large British fleet sail toward Gulf of Saint-Lawrence and take the fortress of Louisbourg. The following year, the fleet reach Quebec city and besiege it. The siege last the whole summer while the city was reduce to rumble (by september only a few buildings stand) but Canadians and Frenchs hold. In a desperated move, General Wolfe land at Anse aux Foulons and Plains of Abraham. Fearing to see his last supply line cutoff from Montreal General Montcalm leave the city walls and attack Wolve. The battle was not the bloody and decisive one that several people beleive. In fact, it was more a little skirmish were only 139 Frenchs die and both sides' generals. I will not go in details but the Frenchs retreat and regroup north of the city, trapping the British Army between the city and them. But the city merchands choose to surrender Quebec before the next battle. The French army fall back to montreal for winter. The next year, Lévis leading the French Army defeated Murray in a second Battle of Plains of Abraham and trapped the whole British expeditionary Army in Quebec. He besiege the city but the British Navy save Murray. By controling Saint-Lawrence River, the British Navy can bring renforcement, while Lévis was on is own. The French war effort in New France was doom to defensive actions and balance of forces greatly change in British favor.
 
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CJH    RE:To CJH about Seven Years War in India    9/9/2005 8:01:13 PM
I stand corrected. But my main point was that the history of this war illustrates the often underestimated role of sea power in war. In this example, it determined outcomes in India and North America.
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:To CJH about Seven Years War in India    9/19/2005 1:45:45 PM
If you go to the Armed Forces fo the World thread you can see a duel goin gon under the Heading War of 1812 which is discussing some of this.
 
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verdunjp    RE:To CJH about Seven Years War in India    9/21/2005 1:19:21 PM
British Navy did not stop french reinforcement simply because France did not sent troops to New-France. However, the big job done by the British navy was the invasion of New-France via the St-Laurence river.
 
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