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Subject: Libya Could Sign Anti-Tank Missiles Order With EADS
Softwar    8/2/2007 9:38:10 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070802/france_libya.html?.v=1 Report: Missiles Contract for Libya Report: Libya Could Sign Anti-Tank Missiles Order With EADS PARIS (AP) -- Libya may soon sign an order with European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co.'s missile unit MBDA for the purchase of anti-tank missiles, the French daily La Tribune reported Thursday. Without citing sources or providing details on the value of the order, the paper said the missile maker would benefit from the recent normalization of relations between France and Libya. The improved ties will clear the way for deals that have been under discussion for nearly a year. MBDA refused to comment on the report. EADS could not immediately be reached for comment. On Wednesday, the French daily Le Monde quoted Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, son of leader Moammar Gadhafi, as saying that a deal to buy military hardware from France was an element of negotiations that led to the release of six medics detained in Libya. President Nicolas Sarkozy denied the report with a curt "no" and his spokesman David Martinon said "no armaments contract (was) signed during the visit" by Sarkozy, who traveled to Libya to normalize ties a day after the medics were freed on July 24. The Tribune report said that negotiations had been under way for nearly a year but that it was clear no contracts could be signed before the medics were freed. The five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor had spent 8 1/2 years in prison and were given life sentences on charges they deliberately infected more than 400 children with the AIDS virus -- an allegation the six vehemently denied.
 
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ProDemocracy    Alliance?   8/2/2007 9:49:00 AM
From the CNN report:
 
Islam also told Le Monde that Libya wanted guarantees that France would come to its defense if it was threatened, but said he did not know if this was included in the deal.
 
Could this be an alliance between Libya and France?  Who might threaten Libya that France would be willing to deal with?
 
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Softwar       8/2/2007 9:58:13 AM
Libya lies between Egypt to the east, Sudan to the southeast, Chad and Niger to the south, and Algeria and Tunisia to the west.  Of these, Libya has had border conflicts with Egypt, and Chad.  However, Algeria and Sudan are also possible hostile grounds.  Right now, conflict with Egypt is unlikely and Sudan is occupied killing innocent civilians in Dafur with PRC backing.  Perhaps they feel uncomfortable with no big backer - e.g. Egypt has the US and Sudan has the PRC.
 
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Claymore       8/2/2007 2:09:06 PM
Libya and Algeria. France is leveraging between the two. One is a former colony
 
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ProDemocracy       8/2/2007 2:56:45 PM
If it were Chad, that would be odd since France backed Chad against Libya in the 80's and 90's...this will be interesting to watch play out.
 
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Nichevo       8/2/2007 5:43:01 PM
Well, Libya has been making some attempts to normalize relations with the West.  How sincere do we think they are?  How helpful are they being?  It does seem the US is going along.
 
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ProDemocracy       8/2/2007 5:54:26 PM
I had heard some rumblings about an American or British base in Libya - I think that might have been the rumblings of an overexcited journalist and not based on reality...but it does show how far we've come.  Although I do believe in dealing in reality with politics and it is mutually beneficial for the US to normalize relations and get info on whose selling nuclear secrets, I can't help but think it must be a huge blow to the families of the Lockerbie victims that their governments wouldn't at least take out Khadafy (and then deal with a new Libyan gov't)...I know if it were me, I would be enraged.
 
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french stratege       8/3/2007 10:42:41 PM
For Lockerbie, some said it was Iran in fact
h*tp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/777589.stm
CBS says Iran's motive for the attack was revenge after a US warship shot down a commercial Iranian airliner, killing all 290 passengers aboard
Well we have UTA DC10 bombing supposely from Lybian to complain
h*tp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3380889.stm
However we have done a lot of (covert ) operations to avenge it, it seems.
I wanted also Gadhafi  to be killed but it seems that he is now seeking our help.He is not an islamist but advocating secular policies.If it is not us it would be the Russians or the British, so....
 
 
 
 
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french stratege       8/3/2007 10:45:05 PM
Moreover we still want to control Algeria which has ambitions and hevily arm itself for unkown reasons and also kick back Chinese out of Sudan.
I guess that if we sell Rafale to Morrrocan and Lybians, Algerian SU30 will have some counterpart.
 
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Lynstyne       8/7/2007 2:24:58 PM

Moreover we still want to control Algeria which has ambitions and hevily arm itself for unkown reasons and also kick back Chinese out of Sudan.

I guess that if we sell Rafale to Morrrocan and Lybians, Algerian SU30 will have some counterpart.


Sorry That made i laugh
Paraphrasing FS            we still want to control Algeria, but Algeria arms itself for unkown reasons,
 
Now go and read the previous sentance consider a rather bloody war of independance and ask yourself why algeria arms itself
 
 
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ProDemocracy    Lynstine   8/7/2007 4:09:45 PM




Moreover we still want to control Algeria which has ambitions and hevily arm itself for unkown reasons and also kick back Chinese out of Sudan.



I guess that if we sell Rafale to Morrrocan and Lybians, Algerian SU30 will have some counterpart.




Sorry That made i laugh

Paraphrasing FS            we still want to control Algeria, but Algeria arms itself for unkown reasons,

 

Now go and read the previous sentance consider a rather bloody war of independance and ask yourself why algeria arms itself

 


Lynstine,
I think this was just symantics.  What FS meant to say was "contain Algeria" or "keep Algeria under control" - not the literal meaning you seemed to take from it.  After a bloody war on independence and not to mention living in a tough neighborhood, I see why Algeria would want to be armed.  But I doubt France has any other interest in Algeria than just making sure Algeria does not interfere with French interests elsewhere in Africa.
 
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