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Subject: France Shows Interest In Russian Aircraft.
The Lizard King    2/22/2007 12:07:05 PM
MOSCOW, February 21 (RIA Novosti) - France's top government officials expressed Wednesday their interest in buying Russian aircraft, including heavy helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles. "We are interested in heavy helicopters, and also in reconnaissance aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV)," French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said at a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and officials from the Russian-French Council for Security Cooperation. She said France and Russia could become effective partners in developing new-generation aircraft. French Foreign Minister Philippe Doust-Blazy said at the same meeting that France would consider buying Russian amphibious aircraft to create a fleet to combat forest fires. Russia manufactures multipurpose turbofan Be-200 aircraft that can be used as a firefighter, a cargo plane, a flying ambulance, and a passenger airliner. In its firefighting configuration, it can pick up 12 tons (26,460lb) of water by skimming over the water's surface, making it an effective weapon in extinguishing forest fires, a role in which it is used by Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry. "We are interested in the Russian planes and we have already started relevant certification procedures," the French minister said. He also said France "would be happy if Russia bought French Airbus passenger aircraft." The council was set up by the presidents of the Russian Federation and the French Republic in January 2002 and held its inaugural meeting in Paris in November 2002. The purpose of the bilateral forum is to strengthen the strategic dialogue between France and Russia by having biannual meetings of the foreign and defense ministers that focus on cooperation in defense industry, nonproliferation and the fight against global terrorism. Article
 
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french stratege       2/24/2007 7:34:39 PM
For sure, it would make sense if we choose to develop a F22 class aircraft.
BTW Russian and French are very complementary on technologies.We are more advanced than them on electronic and they are more advanced in some special weapons and techniques.
 
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Herald1234    Thatn would be a very bad move.   2/25/2007 12:15:30 AM
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BadNews       2/25/2007 12:36:02 AM

For sure, it would make sense if we choose to develop a F22 class aircraft.

BTW Russian and French are very complementary on technologies.We are more advanced than them on electronic and they are more advanced in some special weapons and techniques.



Keep Dreaming!  This would be very bad thing for France.
 
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FJV       2/25/2007 5:40:20 AM
F22 type planes only work if you don´t sell these to any foreign nations allies included. This makes such planes very expensive.




 
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french stratege       2/25/2007 9:43:54 AM
It was already mentioned in 2004
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A F22 like planes could be made with a much lower investment than Rafale alone for France as Russian manpower is 3 to 5 time less costly than France.And we could reuse a lot of rafale developement in the electronic systems (AESA technology, IRST, network centric software and ECM), design tools and engine technology.
I see a 20 tons+ supercruiser fighter, with 2*12 tons engines, with a stealthiness as much or likely better than F22 (plasma devices? active stealth), internal carriage of 4 meteor and 2 mica IR, IRST, AESA, spectra.
A fighter with F22 performance but smaller and more affordable as technology would allow to do it.
A requirement for 120 fighter for France to complement rafales and replace M2000, as much for India and 200+ for Russia would means a 420+ fighter production.
As an independant world power in the top 3 and nation , we need a plane capable to match or outperform F22 or anything else.I think for myself that it is mandatory to be able to resist to any pressure from any nation.
Is USA is willing to share F22 technology with France and supply some F22 with full right on modification? Answer is likely no.So we have to find a partner if we are not willing to spend more on defense.
Why would it be a bad move for France? What should we fear from USA?
 
 
 
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scuttlebut steve    by all means, hang yourselves   2/25/2007 11:59:07 PM

It was already mentioned in 2004

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A F22 like planes could be made with a much lower investment than Rafale alone for France as Russian manpower is 3 to 5 time less costly than France.And we could reuse a lot of rafale developement in the electronic systems (AESA technology, IRST, network centric software and ECM), design tools and engine technology.
lack of cheap manpower is not why france cannot develop an f22 class plane, technology is.  partnering with russia will not change that.
I see a 20 tons+ supercruiser fighter, with 2*12 tons engines, with a stealthiness as much or likely better than F22 (plasma devices? active stealth), internal carriage of 4 meteor and 2 mica IR, IRST, AESA, spectra.

A fighter with F22 performance but smaller and more affordable as technology would allow to do it.
you see what isnt there
A requirement for 120 fighter for France to complement rafales and replace M2000, as much for India and 200+ for Russia would means a 420+ fighter production.
dont forget how france and russia would sell to every backwards arab country on earth and china, pretty much anyone that is an enemy of the west.  sure is a good thing you cant make the aircraft!
As an independant world power in the top 3 and nation , we need a plane capable to match or outperform F22 or anything else.I think for myself that it is mandatory to be able to resist to any pressure from any nation.
is independant supposed to mean "arms dealing prostitutes of the world"?
Is USA is willing to share F22 technology with France and supply some F22 with full right on modification? Answer is likely no.So we have to find a partner if we are not willing to spend more on defense.
your nations' exclusion of F22 tech from the US is entirely its own fault from its track record of selling anything to anyone anytime...your nation's arms industry is the equivalent to criminals who sell drugs and guns to gangs and try to rationalize it as "just business".
Why would it be a bad move for France? What should we fear from USA?
too many reasons to list, not that you would care to listen anyways.
 

 



 
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JIMF       2/26/2007 4:01:33 PM
I would think that Poland, The Czech Republic, and possibly Germany would be concerned.   
 
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eldnah       2/26/2007 8:34:34 PM
Perhaps Airbus and Ilyushin can offer a new tanker to compete with Boeing for the KC-135R replacement. They'll probably get McCain's vote. 
 
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sentinel28a       2/26/2007 9:09:56 PM
The firefighter makes sense--the Russians make some good dedicated birds, ones the US should at least consider.  We here rely too much on ancient ex-USAF and USN aircraft, and we pay for it every fire season when the planes finally just go and fall apart, usually in midair.
 
Heavy lift helicopters? Why not? The Mi-26 is a fine helo, and there really isn't much in competition with it--it can lift far more than the NH-90 or the CH-47, and the ALAT really doesn't have any heavy lift capability.  This could be a real problem if they need to move troops around in bad terrain (i.e. Afghanistan).
 
However, I get the feeling that what is driving this is Airbus taking a drubbing from Boeing.  The A380 is teetering on the edge of becoming a very expensive bust, while the smaller Airbus models are running into stiff competition from the 787.  Russia is a huge airliner market, so probably buying Russian would put Airbus into a better position to sell there.  Airbus is merely taking advantage of Putin's sudden desire to play Cold War again.
 
 
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Berova       2/28/2007 3:24:11 AM

For sure, it would make sense if we choose to develop a F22 class aircraft.

BTW Russian and French are very complementary on technologies.We are more advanced than them on electronic and they are more advanced in some special weapons and techniques.


If the France chose to develop a F-22 class aircraft with Russia, it would be a pretty blatant admission she could no longer 'go it alone'.  So much for French independence in defense technology.
 
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