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Subject: Stephen Smith for Defence
Aussiegunneragain    9/11/2010 2:14:11 AM
JG announced her Cabinet today and Stephen Smith has been moved from Foreign Ministry to Defence, to make way for Rudd. He comes across as a nice enough guy, but what has he ever done? Rudd did his job for him last term and I suspect that he was only there because Rudd knew he would be a pushover. I don't know that he will be tough enough to be effective in Defence. They put Combet, the best prospect for Defence, into Climate Change, which probably indictates the level of priority they are giving to each. Concerning.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/11/2010 4:04:37 AM
They put Combet, the best prospect for Defence, into Climate Change, which probably indictates the level of priority they are giving to each. Concerning.

unfort for defence but not as bad as the poor bastards at DFAT.

damn shame that combet didn't get the gong - a real engineer would have been useful to keep some of the silly stuff at bay - and would have been better politically as the chances of political intervention overriding technical decisions would have been less.

smith is lightweight, but defence dodged a bullet compared to DFAT
 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/11/2010 4:30:24 AM

unfort for defence but not as bad as the poor bastards at DFAT.

 
It'll probably be pretty much "business as usual" for DFAT, with the amount of time Rudd spent interfering while he was PM. Only now he will have more time to do it.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/11/2010 4:58:25 AM
It'll probably be pretty much "business as usual" for DFAT, with the amount of time Rudd spent interfering while he was PM. Only now he will have more time to do it.
will be interesting to see what their frames of mind are like on monday morning...  there are quite a few who wander down to Minters for coffee and a whinge.....
 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/11/2010 5:13:30 AM

It'll probably be pretty much "business as usual" for DFAT, with the amount of time Rudd spent interfering while he was PM. Only now he will have more time to do it.


will be interesting to see what their frames of mind are like on monday morning...  there are quite a few who wander down to Minters for coffee and a whinge.....

Yes, I've already heard it suggested by people who work at Minters that they are expecting to see people jumping out of the DFAT window on Monday ...
 
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gf0012-aust       9/11/2010 5:22:03 AM
Yes, I've already heard it suggested by people who work at Minters that they are expecting to see people jumping out of the DFAT window on Monday ...

I imagine the churn rate for DFAT is about go silly... :)  I pity the other poor bastards though, Swan, Arbib, Garrett, Wong, Evans.... not exactly the dream team.... the sooner Combet earns his wings the better.....
 
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Volkodav       9/11/2010 9:05:46 AM
What did Arbib get, I wouldn't trust that slime to take out the garbage without consulting a focus group and knifing a superior on the way?
 
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Volkodav       9/11/2010 9:21:32 AM
On Combet there is still hope he will get defence once some sort of carbon pricing / trading scheme gets pushed through.
 
I was hoping he would get the top job and put an end to the wasteful lurching from block obsolescence to block obsolescence as we replace gear at the last possible moment and well after the infrastructure we had to produce the gear in the first place has been flogged off or rusted away and the people who did the work have moved on, retired or died of old age.
 
What chance Smith will direct that we make good use of the facilities a personnel we have spent so much time and treasure building up instead of just shutting up shop and waiting another decade or two before starting from scratch again?
 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/14/2010 7:26:53 AM

What chance Smith will direct that we make good use of the facilities a personnel we have spent so much time and treasure building up instead of just shutting up shop and waiting another decade or two before starting from scratch again?


The Secretary Ian Watt has already said publicly that defence is looking to move procurement to OTS solutions. He was asked to delay his retirement to move over there by Falkner which suggests to me that the Government have drawn that conclusion and anyway, he wouldn't have said it publicly if that wasn't the case. That reduces the chances of Australian industry being favoured. Of course there are people in Cabinet such as Kim Il Carr who might have a different view, but in the end I think with Gillard the desire to save money so spend on her domestic election promises will win out. The decision to put Smith in Defence tells me that she frankly doesn't give a shite about Defence.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/14/2010 7:29:20 AM

What did Arbib get, I wouldn't trust that slime to take out the garbage without consulting a focus group and knifing a superior on the way?

He keeps his old job of Minister for Employment Participation in the outer ministry, no great reward for his role in Caeser's downfall it seems.
 
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Volkodav       9/14/2010 8:53:38 AM




What chance Smith will direct that we make good use of the facilities a personnel we have spent so much time and treasure building up instead of just shutting up shop and waiting another decade or two before starting from scratch again?






The Secretary Ian Watt has already said publicly that defence is looking to move procurement to OTS solutions. He was asked to delay his retirement to move over there by Falkner which suggests to me that the Government have drawn that conclusion and anyway, he wouldn't have said it publicly if that wasn't the case. That reduces the chances of Australian industry being favoured. Of course there are people in Cabinet such as Kim Il Carr who might have a different view, but in the end I think with Gillard the desire to save money so spend on her domestic election promises will win out. The decision to put Smith in Defence tells me that she frankly doesn't give a shite about Defence.


Scary stuff.
Yes defence can buy nice toys OTS but what do they do when they need to service and fix it?  TLS is hard enough when you are the ones who built the platform and integrated the systems, try maintaining gear you dont have institutional knowledge on, thats when you start getting problems and very serious cost blow outs.
 
TLS costs much much more than the initial purchase / build and doing it OS is more expensive than here.
 
OTS is very short sighted and poor economy when you look to maintain a capability after buying it, you need the inhouse skills or you are screwed.
 
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