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Subject: Israeli alternative strike against Iran
Pambas    3/23/2010 6:07:52 PM
Looks like Iran is going at steady pace toward a bomb and the US is not interested in helping the Israeli in not turning into nuclear ashes. They did so by denying them a shipment of bunker buster bombs ... be we now that the IDF is not run by idiots, so they surely have some stock pile. But the US is also unwilling to provide green passage over US airspace i.e. Iraqi airspace, so will we can expect the Saudi give the Israeli passage in an act of unholy alliance, what are Israeli alternative to take out Iranian nuclear facilities ? Will I don't believe that Iran would normally be a threat to Israel, the true is that they are fanatics and they could lunch a nuclear strike against Israel even at the cost of 4 million palestinian death ... after all we are in the 21 century and we need some Jihadi Nuclear martyrs in some sort of twisted freak progress My Idea is that Israel since Israel can't get bomber there, they could instead lunch a series of Ballistic missiles to crush the reactor. The first ones would have a 2 ton lead warhead made, the idea is that the free fall energy from the sub-orbital fly would be enough to crack open the reactor .. 2 or 3 missiles with conventional war heads could finish it So in the second time in Israeli history the basic act of throwing a stone will save them ... the first time was when David defeated Goliath If any of the IDF is reading this ... please forward to the highest level of command ... I just want a souvenir from the Givati brigade :D
 
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Pambas    Sorry   3/23/2010 6:12:28 PM
I just realized I posted multiply, sorry about that, I didn't intended to spam :(

This is my first forum post, so sorry again 
 
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Pambas       3/24/2010 6:47:41 AM
So basically no one can tell me if my idea might work ?
 
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Mikko       3/24/2010 7:42:11 AM
Howdy,
 
I think your idea is far beyond accuracy capabilities of ballistic missiles. I can't see a warhead sliding through a hole a kinetic energy penetrator just made.
 
Then there is the intelligence part. Even if the missiles were able to do such a feat it would be quite demanding to scout the right square meters through which the stones should be dropped.

However, like all new ideas, maybe yours bears something in it that was never thought of before. In our problem-oriented world all ideas are like air to breathe - plausible or not.
 
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Pambas       3/24/2010 3:48:24 PM

Howdy,


 

I think your idea is far beyond accuracy capabilities of ballistic missiles. I can't see a warhead sliding through a hole a kinetic energy penetrator just made.

Then there is the intelligence part. Even if the missiles were able to do such a feat it would be quite demanding to scout the right square meters through which the stones should be dropped.

Thanks for your response :D

The accuracy can be mitigated by the fact that such a mass falling from sub orbital fly might open a crate or several meters wide, but I still concede that it will be a daunting challenge to land balistic missile with conventional war head at the right spot for the right effect 

So does anyone have another crazy idea about how to take out those Iranian reactors ? 
 
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albywan       3/24/2010 6:16:23 PM
And while you consider this, ask yourself how will israel survive the global condemnation for such an attack...
 
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Pambas       3/24/2010 6:36:01 PM
Israel survived being gang banged, I believe that they handle some whining from the world loud mouth

Hey ... but if Iran build nukes and attack Israel ... I know they will also kill some 4 million palestinian but count this has 21 century nuclear martyrs

People are such whinnies ... an Irsaeli attack will free the region from the prospect of the crazy mullas getting a nukes, even the Saudi are in favour of such an attack ... instead we prefer to encure the risk of a 50 million dead nuclear exchange ... at least Israel will prevail
 
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Shirrush    All it takes is a miracle.   3/25/2010 9:53:54 AM
This idea isn't new. A space-based kinetic attack concept aptly nicknamed "Rods from God" was enunciated about six years ago, and the technological challenges of launching, maintaining and targeting such a system are still unsurmountable AFAIK.
While it is proven that Israel has developed semi-workable space launchers, short-range ballistic and para-ballistic missiles, none of these are currently in service with the IDF, and the SRBM's offered by Israeli industries are still to find any customers. There are rumors -what is called here "foreign sources"- of Israeli "Jericho 2/3" ballistic missiles hidden somewhere under the hills where I like to go for 'shrooms and herbs, but if they were real I'd certainly know somebody whose neighbor's cousin has met the son of a plumber whose sister-in-law used to go out with an Air Force officer from a top-secret strategic missile unit, or something of that ilk. I don't, and this is a small country, really one big family in which everybody's nose is in everybody else's business. It is safe to assume that the Israeli strategic arsenal is the cheapest deterrent money can buy, a purely notional one.
 
The IDF, however, has long range attack aircraft  with competent pilots in them and a few locally manufactured stand-off weapons of the (short range) cruise missile persuasion, and these could spearhead an attempt to cripple the large and widely dispersed Iranian military nuclear program, by destroying a key facility such as the Uranium chemistry plant near Esfahan, or by eliminating key personnel with e.g. a well-placed munition in a congress of the IRGC's top physicists and engineers. This would be difficult to achieve, given the vast expanses of hostile airspace in between, and there would be no guarantee of success while the spectacle of captive, never-to-be-freed Israeli pilots and commandos paraded on Iranian satellite TV would be a bit too much for the Israeli citizenry to bear, especially when under a massive rocket/ missile attack from all sides.
 
If anything is attempted against the Mullah's nuclear infrastructure, it will be with conventional jets, conventional ordnance, and some spiffy but still rather ordinary EW. There are no ballistic missiles, long-range cruise missiles or any stealthy, VLO platforms in the Israeli arsenal. Israeli aerospace R&D has long focused on readily-marketable UAV's and avionics, and there has been no effort to develop a stealthy attack platform, or, if there has been any, it has probably not been flight-tested yet. This is a tiny country with a very small sky, and there's been a worrying lack of any UFO reports in the local buzz for more than 15 years, much unlike the UK or the Southwestern USA, where something "black" is most certainly going on!
 
There are no visible preparations for such a war at present in Israel. There is no intensification of the Rear Command units preparedness or distribution of gas masks, no extra-budgetary appropriations for new weapon systems or additional Reserve training sessions, and not even a heightened perception of clear and present danger. Life goes on, the same as it did in Czekoslovakia in 1938. Obama-the-Overlord has green-lighted the Shi'ite atomic bomb, and our spineless leaders have no choice but to dutifully play their role as the sacrificial lamb on the altar of Appeasement.
The public discourse studiedly avoids the subject of the coming conflagration, and if there's anything scary that's being discussed, it is the lack of preparedness and the casualty projections for the next, and unavoidable large earthquake along our part of the Syro-African Rift.
 
Moreover, nobody over here has any stomach for a conflict with the Persians. Historically, and biblically as well, we've been more often on their side than against them, there is more of a positive feeling than animosity towards Iran, and we certainly do not want to kill them as much as they say they want to kill us. Their hostility towards us is something of a mystery, and we hope it'll go away as soon as they reject their religion of Arabs as a ruling system, and since they've done just that a couple of times in their recent history, there's still a tiny chance that a miraculous regime change will somehow save the day and our backsides, while finally granting us access to some very decent ski slopes in our own region.
 
 
 
 
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Pambas       3/25/2010 2:56:01 PM
Well ... sounds very grim .... indeed :(

Well I was at least hoping that the Saudi could ''forget'' to watch they radar screen for a night a let Israeli place try an attack across the golf ... but even this scenario becomes higly improbable if Saudi airspace is indeed under US control like I heard somewhere

Still I'm pretty much sure Israel can improvise something on their own and build ''bunker buster'' bomb from scratch ... but has you said there is not sign of readiness and The One Messiah Komrad Obama ... may pretty sure doesn't even know that the US have an army or he very busy having them parading in Moscow with Putins guys.


But I always though that Israel had some kind of hard military command who despite the rotation of politicians, were the guardian of Israel existance ... just like the turkish army is the guardian of Turkey ... or I just saw to much movies.

So no stealth platform ... unless Obama is given sleeping pills and some US general lend a B2-Spirit ... 
No long range missiles ... or long range cruise missiles ... and when compoud with Iran huge size ... this is an impossible task

Lets just pray that the Iranian detonate the bomb by Mistake when Amadinejad have a look at it ... just saying :D 
 
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albywan       3/25/2010 8:27:34 PM

Israel survived being gang banged, I believe that they handle some whining from the world loud mouth




Hey ... but if Iran build nukes and attack Israel ... I know they will also kill some 4 million palestinian but count this has 21 century nuclear martyrs




People are such whinnies ... an Irsaeli attack will free the region from the prospect of the crazy mullas getting a nukes, even the Saudi are in favour of such an attack ... instead we prefer to encure the risk of a 50 million dead nuclear exchange ... at least Israel will prevail

Mate, Israel's concern should not be with Iran... It's the greater Islamic world that will make you a pariah... and the western world will follow... Ask yourself what is more important to the west - a legacy of guilt that is diminishing with each new settlement Nutcaseyahoo condones, or oil...
I'll give you a hint: you can't run a car on guilt...
 
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Pambas       3/26/2010 10:37:49 AM
but don't you have some submarines, I guess dolphin class, which are armed with cruise missile which, by virtue of Israel thigh budge, might be armed with the most effective war head around ... like a nuke ?
 
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