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Subject: The Desert Fox
Commander    3/26/2005 7:21:55 PM
It was Mussolini's ego that put Italy into a bad position in the war. Before war broke out Mussolini knew he was the creator Fascism meaning he was superior to Hitler senior to him and once called him a clown. When war broke out Mussolini only stood in envy in the successes of Hitler and the German Blitzkrieg. Because of his ego he made war with Britain and France this was a bad decision he lost every battle that was fought. With his troops outnumbering the enemy. Italy won a war against Ethiopia a country that barely made it out of the Middle Ages but when confonring a modern nation he lost. It comes to many suprise why Greece beat of the Italian invasion well Greece was one of the World's top 20 military nations. And Greece was above the US. With all his losses Mussolini did what he never wanted to do he plead for help from Hitler. In response the creation of the Afrika Korp came it was rather an army to help the Italians rather than to conquer. This army prove newly formed army created a legend the Erwin Rommel "The Desert Fox" Through his genius he led the entire Afrika Korp as far as Egypt but was only halted by the lack of supplies.
 
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Ghostrider    RE:The Desert Fox   12/19/2005 6:03:18 PM
Yes Italy should have re-tooled for war in the early 30's and should then have waited until its Colony troops had been re-equipoed and retrained. Italy's war docterine was much like it was in WWI which would have dire effects on how they mobilized for combat. Italy was still using early WWI weapons and artilery as well as old machine guns, when they first entered the war with Ethipoia. It would only be later that Germany would assist Italy with aircraft engines, and other war materials. Italy was not prepared and had little resources of its own to make war. However if they had re-tooled and tried to boost their economy and trade, knowing that war may be immenant or even realizing that thier Dictators goals were to re-conquor what once was the Roman empire, they should have known that they had great many obsticals to overcome. The Italian Navy was strong, however with the lack of training....ie Fuel... and radar they were doomed to failure. its too bad they had nice ships! Anyways, Italy would later make some great war machines.. the Macchio fighter was a decent fighter aircraft.. with the help of the Bf109 engine, many of their planes had great manuveribility but lacked firepower, and coordination with the other branches of service. The Italians also had some great artilery pieces for what they could develope... they did try and make a heavy tank.. P/40 but it was more or less a underpowered medium tank, and did not see service with the Italians but with the Germans in 1943 when they began to confiscate all Italian war machines.
 
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Carl S    RE:The Desert Fox   12/19/2005 7:56:30 PM
The smartest thing the Itlaians could have done was to remain out the war entirely. As a nuetral conduit of resources they would have been much more valuable to their fellow Facists in Germany. Britian anxious not to make another active enemy would have been forced to play this game. Economicly Italy would have avoided the costs of the British blockade and of mobilization of its army. Whichever way the war went Italy would have been in a excellent position with its industry intact and banks flush with cash.
 
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treks_here    RE:The Desert Fox   1/13/2006 6:43:47 PM
that would make sense, Italy got involved with the side she would best benifit from, and might as well of flipped a quarter at the start of the war to take sides. the only thing she lacked was well deciplined troups and decent leaders
 
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Carl S    RE:The Desert Fox   1/14/2006 12:00:38 AM
Politically Italy did not have the option of going to war with Germany, at least not before 1943. In military terms it would have been suicide. we tried it in a game of Third Reich once & the result was ugly for the Allies. Given the historical situation in 1939 or 1940 the best course would have been to stay on the sideline and pocket the Germans money like the Swiss. Perhaps joining the Allies later as the Germans neared collapse would have been viable.
 
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Vapid    RE: Mussolini   1/27/2006 9:54:55 PM
I doubt Mussolini had many original thoughts, and Fascism wasn't one either. Adding a signature to anoter mans work does not constitute original thought. Vapid
 
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jastayme3    RE:The Desert Fox   7/27/2006 1:31:24 AM
Given the historical situation in 1939 or 1940 the best course would have been to stay on the sideline and pocket the Germans money like the Swiss. Perhaps joining the Allies later as the Germans neared collapse would have been viable. _________________________ You don't have to sneer-the Swiss didn't stay neutral for the purpose of pocketing the German's money, they stayed out for the purpose of surviving.
 
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jastayme3    RE:The Desert Fox   7/27/2006 1:46:05 AM
Politically Italy did not have the option of going to war with Germany, at least not before 1943. In military terms it would have been suicide. we tried it in a game of Third Reich once & the result was ugly for the Allies. Given the historical situation in 1939 or 1940 the best course would have been to stay on the sideline and pocket the Germans money like the Swiss. Perhaps joining the Allies later as the Germans neared collapse would have been viable. _______________________ It probably would have been better. I doubt that Mussolini had the cunning to play a balancing act the way Franco did. On the other hand if he was neutral then there would have been no operations going on in the Med. He managed to destroy the Germans timetable and lure them into a theater in which the Allies ultimatly had the advantage. In general he hurt Germany more then he helped it. Thank you Il Duce, you did us all a big favor
 
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Carl S    RE:The Desert Fox   7/28/2006 5:17:59 PM
I'll go along with those last two posts. Have remarked the same several times.
 
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Thomas    RE:The Desert Fox   7/29/2006 10:26:18 PM
I never quite understood why the Italians wanted to get into that war - there wasn't any profit in it.
 
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Carl S    RE:The Desert Fox   8/2/2006 6:31:55 PM
I dont think that sort of cod economic calculatin ever entered into it. the school book explinations revolve around Mussolinis political promises to restore the Roman empire. Wouldnt you know, the moment a politician follows thru on a promise it is a bad thing. There was also some pressure from Germany to join in. Last Italys economy was not perfect. Mussolni had not achieved every promise or objective and the war to mid 1940 had a certain degree of negative influence. So perhaps the Italian Facist government thought they could loot their neighbors as Germany had been doing. Perhaps someone with expertice on this subject can comment?
 
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