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Subject: Germany/Japan
madmike    4/3/2010 4:06:32 PM
If Japan and Germany attack Russia,simultaneously Russia would fall
 
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warpig       4/3/2010 5:49:43 PM
Deefinitely true... in June 1941.
 
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LB    Doubtful   4/4/2010 12:21:07 PM
In 1939 Japan lost a small war to the USSR.  When Germany attacked the USSR in 1941 the first thing that occurred to the Japanese was to reinforce Manchuria in case the USSR attacked them in order to secure the Soviet Far East against Japan.  The Japanese thought they might contemplate attacking the USSR if they could double their forces in Manchuria while the USSR reduced it's forces in the Soviet Far East by at least half.  See "Nomanhan" by Alvin Coox.
 
By the end of the first winter the German Army had lost over a million men the great majority in the infantry.  One can certainly debate the ability of Germany to fight the USSR to a stalemate prior to say Stalingrad or Kursk but the ability of Germany to defeat the USSR was simply not there.
 
As for the question posed above it's absolute rubbish.  Neither Germany nor Japan have the logistical ability to wage this kind of aggressive war- leaving aside the small matter of attacking a nuclear superpower.
 
Deefinitely true... in June 1941.

 
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leakbrewergator       4/5/2010 2:35:39 PM
I don't know if you can say "definitely true" or "absolute rubbish". While I agree that neither Japan nor Germany had the wherewithal to defeat Russia, I do think that if the two powers made a concerted effort for a pincer-like move they certainly would have been capable to overrun the country. While Japan's resources were spread thin in the middle to late stages of the war and Germany was deprived of any momentum after Stalingrad, the two  countries could have conceivably made a joint attack to force Russia into capitulation. However, the fact remains that the two nations were never more than nominal allies on the battlefield.
 
I guess my answer to the OP would be that Russia would have fallen to a well-organized and totally cooperative attack by the main Axis Powers. However, anything short of a all-out blitzkrieg-like pincer move would have resulted in a drawn out war that eventually would have been won by Russia and her Allies. (Just like in real life :)).
 
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JFKY    If this is a question for today....   4/5/2010 2:42:08 PM
How does this mythical war take place?
 
Germany first invades, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Ukraine, and Japan invents a maritime expeditionary force?
 
Because, uh dood(s)/doodette(s) neither Germany nor Japan share a land frontier with Russia....
 
Just say'n......
 
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leakbrewergator       4/5/2010 2:48:09 PM

How does this mythical war take place?

 

Germany first invades, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Ukraine, and Japan invents a maritime expeditionary force?

 

Because, uh dood(s)/doodette(s) neither Germany nor Japan share a land frontier with Russia....

 

Just say'n......

Japan did not have territory on the border with Russia during WWII?????
 
What was the Treaty of Peking all about?
 
Germany seemed to manage to fight in Russian territory without having a "land frontier" with Russia.
 
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JFKY    If this is a question for 1941...   4/5/2010 2:48:56 PM
Demonstrably false.....
 
Japan does NOT attack the USSR in 1941.  Japan is bogged down in China, AND faces an oil embargo from August 1941, leaving Japan with less than a years worth of  oil.  Japan HAD to secure the Southern Resource Area (Indonesia and it's oil fields) or capitulate to US demands.  It's obvious which one Japan chose and was going to choose.
 
Japan could NOT attack the USSR in 1941, it had to attack the US instead....
 
So, NO it is NOT TRUE THAT JAPAN COULD ATTACK THE USSR AND WIN, in conjunction with Germany or not.  And that ignores the manhandling the USSR had given the Kwantung Army at Nomonhon Hill and the like....
 
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leakbrewergator       4/5/2010 2:51:33 PM
yeah, I don't agree about 1941. Like I said in my first post, it would have to come early in the war.
 
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JFKY    IF IT IS A QUESTION FOR TODAY...   4/5/2010 3:59:23 PM
Today, as in 2010...as in neither Japan NOR Germany have a land frontier with Russia....ergo any such war is practically impossible.
 
And Japan wan't going to attack the USSR in June, July of 1941 either....that'd hadtheir heads handed to them at the Khalkin Gol....plus a vast majority of the Imperial Army is tied up in China.  And AFTER August 1941 a war witht he USSR is impossible because they must fight the US.
 
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