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Subject: The rise of Brazil as a regional power
Le Zookeeper    11/23/2009 12:27:56 AM
As Brazil hosts Ahmednijanabad as state guest(its quite an act of independance from something the US would have deeply frowned on) and its economy booms, with a huge oil reserve what would be the shape and form a a Brazilian military in the decades to come. Is Brazil now the leader of the Non aligned movement?
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Le Zookeeper       11/23/2009 12:37:15 AM
Brazil Hosts Israeli Leader, Readies for Iran's President" width="129" height="130" alt="" />Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva on Tuesday hosted a visit by Israeli counterpart Shimon Peres, as preparations were also being made to receive Iran's leader in two weeks' time.

The revolving-door diplomacy with the biggest foes in the Middle East underlined Brazil's ambitions to play a mediating role in that region, part of its aspirations of an international profile to match its growing economic heft.

It also marked Israel's efforts to try to counter Iran's increasing influence in Latin America, particularly the Islamic republic's friendly ties with major military powers Brazil and Venezuela.

Peres started his four-day visit to Brazil -- the first by an Israeli head of state to the country in 43 years -- by meeting Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim.

He was to see Lula on Wednesday, before stopping by Sao Paulo on Thursday to boost bilateral business ties, and going to Rio de Janeiro on Friday. After Brazil, Peres was to fly to Argentina.

Peres was to discuss "the Iranian infiltration into South America," a spokeswoman told AFP.

Israel has called Brazil's decision to welcome Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on November 23 a "mistake," and wants Lula to use his influence to get Tehran to abandon its nuclear development program.

But Lula has stood by Iran, saying it has a right to peaceful atomic power. In a September interview with AFP, the Brazilian leader said firmly he was against sanctions on Iran.

By coincidence or not, Iran's embassy held a news conference on the first day of Peres's visit to talk up the diplomatic and trade mission Ahmadinejad was bringing.

"There are several areas where we want to develop investment. One of the projects calls for the purchase of land in Brazil so that companies can produce soy and maize to supply the Iranian market and probably other countries," Ambassador Mohsen Shaterzadeh said.

Cooperation in the areas of technology, oil production and space exploration was also to be discussed, he said.

Ahmadinejad was also to set up a reciprocal visit to Tehran in the first half of 2010 by Lula, Shaterzadeh said.

He added that Peres's visit "does not affect us in any way -- it is the exclusive right of Brazil to organize its international relations."(AFP)


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Cybernuke       12/27/2009 2:03:43 AM
It was inevitable that either Argentina or Brazil would become a regional power and it looks to be Brazil. I wouldn't say Brazil was a leader in any movement but they were one of the countries that basically vetoed the Climate change summit in Copenhagen. They want wealth like everyone else does and they aren't stopping for the environment. Brazil has grown up, lets be happy that they are a democratic nation. Instead of pushing them, the U.S. should embrace these rising democracies like India, Brazil, South Africa, and the EU. The U.S. needs to form a coalition against countries that might want to harm us (possibly) like China or Russia. Brazil is not a threat but it must now take a leadership role in the Americas that has some hard issues like what to do with energy power Bolivia (with that President Morales) and Hugo Chavez's Venezuela (who talks of war with Colombia).
I don't think Iran is a threat because it begins and ends with Israel. When they feel threatened they will do something with or without the support of the United States. I do feel we need to give the dissatisfied pro-Western young Iran a chance to reform its government though.
I like Brazil's potential but remember we talk of potential and not of what's fact. Let's wait and see if Brazil matures instead of rubbing egos with the U.S.
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 8:33:29 PM

As Brazil hosts Ahmednijanabad as state guest(its quite an act of independance from something the US would have deeply frowned on) and its economy booms, with a huge oil reserve what would be the shape and form a a Brazilian military in the decades to come. Is Brazil now the leader of the Non aligned movement?

Brazil is certainly making yearly strides towards becoming a world power, however your quoted statement of their inviting Ahmedinejad only makes them appear and becom more like a fscknut to the world (at what could be achieved more discreetly), and I question your sanity...
LEADER of the non-aligned movement?
Lee Zookeper, you are officially in my rubbish bin, you idiot.
I suggest you browse up on what an oxymoron is, especially the latter part.
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 8:40:54 PM
Nice of you to post an article with a picture tho... But seriously man... this is WEAK. Or rather an impressive display of utter idiocy.
There's just so much else to say about Brazil... their booming economy, their increasing stability in a crime-ridden country with its plentiful backwaters, their growing military -
but no... you chose to point out that they're willing to fraternize publically with people who wish to I quote "hasten the Apocalypse" to get some more oil.
You could've pointed out that all their buses run on fuel cells... but no, you point out a meeting with a holocaust denier whose half own paranoid regime doesn't even like him!
I felt a bit guilty initially at the poor oxymoron pun, morally mostly (and linguistically and quality of humor... but) maybe my new rude style of posting is deserved.
A mature power knows how to negotiate things and do happy-happy PR moments with evil jackasses without looking like it.
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 8:47:52 PM
Maybe I overreacted a bit but I just slammed down an Indian for the whole non-aligned shtick (and some other worse stuff, orwere those others).
No wait, treat Indians and idiot Frencn and other idiot posters the same (except maybe the senior respected posters), yeap. I meant it.
What goes on inside someone's head when they say "Leader of the neutrals?" Sid Meiers Civilization II, WWII Scenario as Sweden, Iraq, Serbia and the Netherlands?
'Leader of the non-aligned movement' is just whenever a non-aligned nation tries to throw out a net to built a proto powerblock without paying the price.
Anyone falling for it is an idiotic moron in at least one way for believing and secondly saying it.
Sure it could happen, once in a million years.
Perhaps what all of you mean when you say stuff like that is 'the most prominnt neutral nation'?
No, that doesn't make sense... then they're not neutral anymore. A neutral nation that attracts allies is a powerbloc oriented inwards and can thus usually not support its allies... but if it does support it allies it becomes a defensive power bloc.
Errrghhh, enough rationalization
A lot of people are dumb and I will look no further into the abyss.
Pity, I'd seen some half sane posts of yours.
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Le Zookeeper    cw   12/27/2009 9:45:34 PM
its obvious the non-aligned movement (for what its worth) lost the previous leader India when it is more of a US client state. So Brazil naturally flows, I am not dispiuting that inviting the class clown Ahmednijabad is no great act of statemensship or aligning with the chatterbox Hgo Chavez, but it clearly shows distance from US when in the yesteryears no one would have dared challenge the USofA  in its own backyard. So yes Brazil is emerging is the leader of the probably now impotent non-aligned states, and even in the global warming conference it was once again China more than India towing line of the BASIC countries.
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Cybernuke       12/28/2009 3:43:35 AM
I wouldn't say Brazil is a leader in international politics in any form. Furthermore, Brazil isn't the first in the US's backyard to criticize or to diplomatically slap the US. There's Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico used to be very critical of the U.S. (think Poncho Villa and Diaz), Panama tried to nationalize the canal, Nicaragua continues to be leftist. There's nothing new Brazil is doing, Latin America has been suspicious of the U.S. ever since the Monroe Doctrine.

I would like to refute the claim that India is a U.S. client state as evidence that India continues to buy Russian military equipment which is constantly reminded to us by the columnists on this site. Overall, India has had better relations with Russia than the U.S. which I would like to see changed.

I would have to agree with the poster who argued that there was no non-aligned movement because there's no two sides to be aligned to. There needs to be teams in order for a non-aligned movement to begin. The Chinese are starting to be that "other" but India is on its tail. Most importantly these rising powers want to be on their own team; they aren't forming coalitions they want to be IT. Brazil, China, the U.S., the E.U., Russia, and South Africa all want to be the other pole in a multi-polar world.
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Le Zookeeper    By and large I concur   12/29/2009 3:03:17 AM
No dispute there, the non-aligned movement is weak at best. But rise of Brazil is a genuine phenomenon as a counterweight to traditional US supremacy and what the Chinese may call hegemony. Its fairly brazen for Brazil to invite Ahmednijanabad
who is a highly controversial nutjob from a country that is highly acriminous towards USA and Israel. South America could indeed finally fall out of the US sphere with continued economic malaise in the north. That would be the first time in history where US could have major bases against it from South America (Cuba being the only previous threat), and it would be a debacle of a colossal proportion. Imagine the Gulf of Mexico being the site of a naval arms race. My fishing boat could run into an Iranian patrol craft.
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Cybernuke       12/30/2009 7:42:01 AM
Yeah, but its nice to have other people to blame when something in world goes wrong instead of the U.S. When the United States was the only superpower whenever something went wrong in the world it was the U.S.' fault but now that other nations want to be superpowers we can accurately say "you fix it." But, I would really like to see the US build an extensive missile shield, I am not really satisfied with what we have now.
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cwDeici       12/31/2009 5:47:18 AM
Oh btw., I've been rather ornery for style with certain people here lately (even after BW seemingly left) including this thread. Sorry.
I do believe in what I say but the way I say it carries too much different meaning, as in 'aggro'. 
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