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Subject: MoD may sell aircraft carrier to India to limit cuts
The Lizard King    11/16/2009 12:43:52 PM
MoD may sell aircraft carrier to India to limit cutsSale would leave Royal Navy with just one replacement Buzz up! Digg it Tim Webb The Observer, Sunday 15 November 2009 Article history One of Britain's new £2bn aircraft carriers could be sold off under cost-cutting plans being considered by the Ministry of Defence. India has lodged a firm expression of interest, the Observer has learned. The sale of one of the two 65,000-tonne vessels would leave the Royal Navy with a single carrier and could force Britain to borrow from the French fleet, which itself has only one carrier and is reluctant to build more. Last summer the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, proposed to Gordon Brown that the two navies co-ordinate maintenance and refitting so that one was at sea at all times. According to senior defence sources, Whitehall officials are examining the feasibility of a sale as part of the strategic defence review that will start early next year and is expected to result in savage cuts. The carrier programme has already been delayed by two years to push back spending commitments, which itself will end up costing the taxpayer more in the long run. BAE Systems began work in July on HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is due to come into service in 2016. Preparatory work on the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018, has also started. The two carriers will replace the ageing Invincible class and are three times the size. There were fears that the government could scrap one altogether. But it is understood that the financial penalties would be prohibitive. About 10,000 jobs in Portsmouth, Barrow-in-Furness, Fife and Glasgow depend on the orders. ttp://
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flamingknives       11/16/2009 3:08:32 PM
Of course the sensible thing would be to make three and sell the third (or better, build four and sell two - one to the French and one to the Indians), thereby making the two kept cheaper since the development costs will be spread further.
The QE class looks to be a good size. Big enough to be useful, small enough and with a small complement that it doesn't cost too much to operate that would preclude its use by most navies. Can be used as a CTOL, STOVL or Helo carrier. It seems unlikely that the MoD would invest in such potential export sales though.

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The Lizard King    INS Viraat   11/16/2009 4:49:28 PM
Would have made perfect $ense for both the UK & India if India was brought into the consortium earlier on.
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YelliChink       11/16/2009 5:16:20 PM
So they just want to kill PW one way or anther.
It is utterly pointless to build a ship, name it as Price of Wales, then sell to other country. Why not just make deal with India now to build a carrier for them? 
This is yet another signal that Gordon Brown is gutting UK military.
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french stratege       11/16/2009 7:53:25 PM
Journalist propagate any dumb rumors.
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StobieWan       11/23/2009 9:19:47 AM
From the MOD blog
"An article in The Guardian suggests that the MOD is considering selling one of the two future aircraft carriers to India to ease the strain on the Defence Budget. This is unfounded speculation. There has been no approach by the Indian Navy to the MOD about purchasing a future aircraft carrier."

MOD says no..
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Le Zookeeper    Unlikely   11/24/2009 6:00:22 AM
As India has already started building its own carrier, Groshkov is another and the Viraat(ex-British navy). Thats 3 carrier groups - India simply doesn't have the budget for another group.
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Heorot       11/24/2009 4:30:03 PM
I am not a naval expert but I understand that 3 carriers gives you one active carrier group. One carrier in refit and one in R & R.
In this case I will admit that Herald is likely to have the definitive answer.
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gf0012-aust       11/25/2009 1:02:04 AM

I understand that 3 carriers gives you one active carrier group. One carrier in refit and one in R & R.
thats the normal application of availability.  For India its worse because they have 4 main naval bases - so not only numerically is one base unable to provide carrier support, but at any one stage only one base will be effectively at strength if proper cycles are established.  that means which bases get prioritised.  To get proper base coverage she needs 6 carriers to cover availability and attrition cycles.  6 carriers is not even remotely on their long term strategic planning roadmap.

that means that they're at crunch time as to force structure as they cannot plan proper doctrine if they haven't defined future force structure against extant facilities etc....  They've got to define their strategic needs ahead of their tactical needs if its going to make any sense.

buying toys does not a military make...
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