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Subject: America Should Attack Pakistan
DGreat1    12/9/2008 12:14:47 PM
America needs to seriously consider attacking Pakistan. This will allow America to install a government that is willing to disable the nuclear weapons making apparutus in Pakistan in return for economic aid packages that will ensure the long term stability and viability of Pakistan. Such an initiative would work in the best interests of Pakistan's civilian population. This type of initiative would also neutralize the likelihood of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the Taliban friendly contingent of the current Pakistani government. It is important to note that their is only a short window of opportunity concerning the implementation of this initiative, as this option will be neutralized by any scenario that has Iran emerging as the second state sponsor of terrorism to acquire a nuclear weapons capability. America is currently faced with a use it or lose it proposition in regards to preemptive attack options concerning Pakistan, as America will undoubtedly lose the support of Pakistan once Iran acquires its own nuclear arsenal. While it is a frightening scenario, the reality is that due to America's current obligations to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran may very well acquire a nuclear weapons making capability. In this scenario, Pakistan will be pressured by the Islamic fundamentalist influenced Arab street to distance themselves from America as a way of retaining the significant influence they enjoy as the first state sponsor of terrorism. America's strategic position in Afghanistan would be dramatically strengthened by the continuity and controlled space convergence benefits that would be facilitated by a military offensive against Pakistan. I make this assertion with the understanding that President Elect OBama will increase the numerical troop strength of U.S. forces in Afghanistan as promised. I will propose a strategy for facilitating the disablement of Irans nuclear capabilities in a future post.
 
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DGreat1       12/16/2008 2:07:27 PM
A submariner does not have to learn 15,000 systems. I should have said that they learn every job on the submarine and every major system (steering and diving, high pressure air which is critical to surfacing and submerging the sub, hydraulics, engineering etc). That's not falling into your trap, I just didn't word it correctly. In an earlier post, I clearly stated that we learned every job on the submarine [not every system]. I am getting quite the picture of what you would do on a sub in a crisis situation. You will be in someone's work space and they will tell you, "isolate that or operate this." And you would probably say, [in a whiny voice] I am just here to stand watch for you and take gauge readings!" You would get punched so hard your head would spin. Stop watching the History channel. I've been there, done that. Hilarious.     
 
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DGreat1       12/16/2008 2:07:29 PM
A submariner does not have to learn 15,000 systems. I should have said that they learn every job on the submarine and every major system (steering and diving, high pressure air which is critical to surfacing and submerging the sub, hydraulics, engineering etc). That's not falling into your trap, I just didn't word it correctly. In an earlier post, I clearly stated that we learned every job on the submarine [not every system]. I am getting quite the picture of what you would do on a sub in a crisis situation. You will be in someone's work space and they will tell you, "isolate that or operate this." And you would probably say, [in a whiny voice] I am just here to stand watch for you and take gauge readings!" You would get punched so hard your head would spin. Stop watching the History channel. I've been there, done that. Hilarious.     
 
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DGreat1       12/16/2008 3:02:17 PM

A submariner does not have to learn 15,000 systems. I should have said that they learn every job on the submarine and every major system (steering and diving, high pressure air which is critical to surfacing and submerging the sub, hydraulics, engineering etc). That's not falling into your trap, I just didn't word it correctly. In an earlier post, I clearly stated that we learned every job on the submarine [not every system]. I am getting quite the picture of what you would do on a sub in a crisis situation. You will be in someone's work space and they will tell you, "isolate that or operate this." And you would probably say, [in a whiny voice] I am just here to stand watch for you and take gauge readings!" You would get punched so hard your head would spin. Stop watching the History channel. I've been there, done that. Hilarious.     

I have corrected my post.
Your rate and rank is immaterial. All submariners must learn all jobs on the submarine. However, at no point did I ever suggest that each submariner was an expert in each discipline that they learn. And watchstanding is important but it is does not  plays a major role in learning the different jobs on the submarine. Watchstanding qualifications are pursued separately while you learn each job on the submarine. The purpose of learning the different jobs on a Submarine is not to satisfy your vain inclinations [getting dolphins, medals, awards etc]. The purpose of this cross training endeavor is to create an auxillary force that is capable of maintaining the SAFE operation of the submarine. This type of training also allows you to operate the submarine with a skeleton crew in scenarios where there  has been significant fatalities.
 

 
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stbretnco       12/16/2008 5:19:32 PM
I'm still waiting for the ezplanaon of when bubbleheads became soldiers.
 
I've known several, and I've never heard a damned one of them refer to themselves as a soldier.
 
 
 
 
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DGreat1       12/16/2008 7:28:59 PM
So you believe that the honored distinction of being viewed as a soldier is branch specific? [US Army for Example]
Everyone else is just going along for the ride huh? Talk about psychological apprehension. If you ran the military, soldiers wouldn't have the confidence to lace their boots. You couldn't run a CAT HOUSE if Hugh Hefner gave you some Playboy bunnies on consignment!
 
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stbretnco       12/16/2008 7:59:31 PM
Soldiers are Soldiers, Airmen are Airmen, Marines are Marines (Okay, jarheads, Uncle Sam's Misguided Children and seagoing bellhops, but still marines), and Sailors are Sailors.
 
You're an idiot, FORMER Sc. Jones. The complete and total lack of understanding of service pride and inter-service rivalry prove that you're nothing more than a posing fool who should have stayed where he was.
 
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DropBear       12/16/2008 9:26:15 PM
Your rate and rank is immaterial. All submariners must learn all sub systems. However, at no point did I ever suggest that each submariner was an expert in each discipline that they learn. And watchstanding plays no role in any of this. The purpose of learning the different jobs on a Submarine is not to satisfy your vain inclinations [getting dolphins, medals, awards etc]. The purpose of this cross training endeavor is to create an auxillary force that is capable of maintaining the SAFE operation of the submarine. This type of training also allows you to operate the submarine with a skeleton crew in scenarios where there  has been significant fatalities.
 
Sigh. Dolphins aren't a trophy, award or medal in nature. No dolphins, no play on sub. Simple.
 
Mandatory operational requirement. Nothing to do with vanity.
 
 
 
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DGreat1       12/17/2008 1:06:28 PM
Money is a issue/ Respect Makes you much more official
But you can lose em both to a pistol
Jadakiss- Blow Me A Dub >>
 
I love that song.
 
And you know that we extra strong
And the AK is on the same shelf that the Tek is on
 
I love it.
 
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