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Subject: W76-1/Mk4A
DarthAmerica    2/19/2008 4:34:48 PM
What do you all think about this amazing weapon? A manuverable GPS guided presicion nuclear RV. Accuracy of ~10 meters IIRC. With it's impact velocity alone it could destroy a number of targets nevermind putting a nuke right on top of or inside something and setting it off. I'm mentioning it here because something this spectacular should get a little more notice IMHO. The USN it seems has very carefully got all the peices for a CTM. Just a little tinkering or even a dummy warhead and you could use you imagination on the possibilities... -DA
 
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ArtyEngineer    DA Reply   2/19/2008 7:07:37 PM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Got any good links?  A quick google led me to this:
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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Article on W76 life Extension
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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Within in was the pic below:   
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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">I cant see anything here which gives an ability for adjustment of flight during the termnal phase.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">But regardless that I dont grasp the technical means if it indeed does have an "Impact" CEP of 10 meters, then yes the possibilities are impressive!!!  This is Rods from God stuff!!!!
 
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DarthAmerica    AE reply   2/21/2008 9:03:22 AM

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Got any good links?  A quick google led me to this:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Article on W76 life Extension

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">Within in was the pic below:   

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg" width=450 border=0>

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">I cant see anything here which gives an ability for adjustment of flight during the termnal phase.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg"> 

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/W76lep.jpg">But regardless that I dont grasp the technical means if it indeed does have an "Impact" CEP of 10 meters, then yes the possibilities are impressive!!!  This is Rods from God stuff!!!!



AE,
 
Try page three of this document.
 
ht*p://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2006_hr/060329-young.pdf
 
I also saw a diagram of it online before. I found something similar here:
 
h*tp://www.nukestrat.com/pubs/Brief2004_MarylandUniversity.pdf
 
 
All I find now are vague references but the test were carried out from the USS Tennessee, USS Maryland and I think even a UK Boomer. From what I read I remember something about it being the shortest ballistic trajectory launch ever of an SLBM. It impacted in under 15 minutes and was under control during the decent.
 
You know, it would be far easier to conceal the existance of an RV like this than other technologies we have hidden in the past. Talk about a big surprise.
 
-DA
 
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kensohaski       3/18/2008 7:11:31 PM
This might be useful against our little yellow brethern....
 
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flamingknives       3/21/2008 9:15:58 AM
I would suggest that it might be a bad idea to use this against anyone who is able to retaliate with atomic armed ballistic missiles, as the incoming would be all but indistinguishable from a live Nuke until detonation.
 
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Softwar       3/21/2008 9:30:36 AM

I would suggest that it might be a bad idea to use this against anyone who is able to retaliate with atomic armed ballistic missiles, as the incoming would be all but indistinguishable from a live Nuke until detonation.

If they can detect it and then determine it is an incoming warhead - a single shot would puzzle most leaderships and not set them to running for the football.  Launch on warning is not a suggested policy unless thousands of incoming are detected.
Of course, you do have to counter this with the 1996 Norwegian sounding rocket that was mistaken by the Moscow leadership as a Trident launch.  Boris - who was reportedly sloshed at the time - ordered up the Russian football and started to enter the codes until someone in the Foreign ministry decided to call and tell him that they knew about the sounding rocket launch for weeks but had forgotten to pass the news on to their military counterparts.
 
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flamingknives       3/21/2008 10:11:54 AM
This is the problem with MAD. A single MIRV can dish out a lot of hurt and if you know that the enemy won't respond to a single launch, then it might be a good way to get a first strike in, especially with a sub-launched missile, which has a very short flight time compared to ICBMs.

If your enemy knows that you know this, or is a teensy bit paranoid, it will get messy real quick.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Tell me that's not true! Gawd what a bunch of idiots.   3/21/2008 12:48:37 PM



I would suggest that it might be a bad idea to use this against anyone who is able to retaliate with atomic armed ballistic missiles, as the incoming would be all but indistinguishable from a live Nuke until detonation.


If they can detect it and then determine it is an incoming warhead - a single shot would puzzle most leaderships and not set them to running for the football.  Launch on warning is not a suggested policy unless thousands of incoming are detected.

Of course, you do have to counter this with the 1996 Norwegian sounding rocket that was mistaken by the Moscow leadership as a Trident launch.  Boris - who was reportedly sloshed at the time - ordered up the Russian football and started to enter the codes until someone in the Foreign ministry decided to call and tell him that they knew about the sounding rocket launch for weeks but had forgotten to pass the news on to their military counterparts.



 
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Softwar    1995 - not 1996 - my bad   3/21/2008 4:29:33 PM






I would suggest that it might be a bad idea to use this against anyone who is able to retaliate with atomic armed ballistic missiles, as the incoming would be all but indistinguishable from a live Nuke until detonation.




If they can detect it and then determine it is an incoming warhead - a single shot would puzzle most leaderships and not set them to running for the football.  Launch on warning is not a suggested policy unless thousands of incoming are detected.



Of course, you do have to counter this with the 1996 Norwegian sounding rocket that was mistaken by the Moscow leadership as a Trident launch.  Boris - who was reportedly sloshed at the time - ordered up the Russian football and started to enter the codes until someone in the Foreign ministry decided to call and tell him that they knew about the sounding rocket launch for weeks but had forgotten to pass the news on to their military counterparts.







http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/closecall/

It was one of the most frightening moments since the Cuban missile crisis. In the early morning hours of January 25, 1995 a Russian radar crew spotted a fast-moving object above the Barents Sea at Russia's northern border. A missile they couldn't identify. The Russians have always viewed U.S. nuclear submarines as the greatest threat; a Trident missile launched from that area could reach Russia's mainland in 10 minutes.

At the Russian radar station, the crew saw the missile suddenly separate into several sections just as the warheads of a Trident missile would. Their trajectory seemed to be carrying them towards Moscow. In Moscow, a signal went out to the nuclear briefcases which always accompany President Boris Yeltsin and top defense officials. Russia had established a deadline: they're supposed to detect an attack, assess it and reach a decision on retaliation within 10 minutes.

There were only 5 minutes left. Urgent radio contact was made with Russian submarine commanders. Orders were given to go into a state of combat readiness and the military issued orders to the Strategic Forces to prepare to possibly receive the next command, which would have been the launch order.

For 4 minutes, the Russian commanders waited for the order to launch. The Russian strategic plans permit launching Russian missiles before enemy missiles hit Russian territory. Eight minutes after the alarm was first sounded, the mysterious objects fell into the seas. The decision to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike was averted; the Russian forces stood down.

Hours later, the Russians learned that the unidentified object had been a scientific rocket launched from Norway to study the Northern lights. The Russian government had been notified weeks earlier the launch was coming, but no one told the radar crew.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/missileers/falsealarms.html

In fact, President Boris Yeltsin stated the next day that he had activated his "nuclear football" --


 

 
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ArtyEngineer    Thats pretty scary!!!   3/21/2008 5:36:29 PM
I got a question for those knowledable about soviet launch procedures.  Now I may have dreamt this or imagined it or otherwise made it up.....but I think I read somewhere that at certain threat/readiness levels some soviet forces recieved regular orders NOT to launch.  If ever this order was not recieved when expected the missiles were to fly!!!!!  Any truth to this or have I just made that up ;)
 
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