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Subject: Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?
westwords2020    8/29/2005 11:23:34 AM
How good is the EKV? What are its characteristics that make it a good or bad choice?
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Carl S    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   8/29/2005 1:44:56 PM
Just for general info, can you identify specificly which weapons you are caling EFV?
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   8/29/2005 1:51:17 PM
Im pretty sure he is referring to this.
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westwords2020    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   8/29/2005 3:58:09 PM
Yes, it's the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle aka Advanced Amphibious Assault Vehicle.
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Carl S    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   8/29/2005 9:45:41 PM
Good choice? Well, what are the alternatives? I'm not current on this subject.
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interestedamateur    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   9/20/2005 8:07:58 AM
Yes it is a good choice. Fast on water and land, heavily armoured and armed, and able to lift 17 - 18 troops. The only downsides are that it is expensive and also complex. I guess GDLS will have to work hard on ensuring that it is reliable. There are no direct alternatives to the EFV. When you look at it, there are very few other nations that can actually conduct amphibious warfare, especially over long distances. For those that do, here are the vehicles they use: Britain (can lift one medium commando brigade) - BVS-10 France (can lift 2 battalions) - BV-206S and VABs Spain (can lift 2 battalions) - LAV-111C (one company's worth) Netherlands (can lift 1 battalion) - BVS-10 The Italians can lift one battalion of Naval infantry and use updated M113's - but I'm pretty sure that they can't conduct beach landings. The Russians can probably lift a brigade at a push and use army vehicles such as BTR-90's. There are various other countries that operate a limited amount of amphibious shipping such as Australia, Poland, Japan, Brazil, Greece and Turkey to name just a few. Argentina has also just bought two old French ships. However, the range of these countries is probably no more than 500 miles and they can not really transport more than a battalion. The vehicles they use tend to be waterproof derivatives of light and tracked army vehicles, especially M113's. I think that you can basically see that the EFV is light year's ahead of all of these vehicles.
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westwords2020    RE:Is the EFV a good choice for amphibious operations?   9/20/2005 12:59:13 PM
Is there a possibility of foreign sales with the EFV? Are there nations with well deck equipped ships out there to launch it from or could it be simply lowered into water by crane or some kind of davit?
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interestedamateur    RE: Foreign Sales   9/20/2005 6:26:36 PM
Westwords, I haven't heard that any other countries than the US are currently interested. As I mentioned earlier, the EFV is very expensive - about $6 million each I think. Perhaps over time, and after it has actually entered service with the USMC, other countries will look at it.
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Eagle601    RE: Foreign Sales   9/21/2005 12:48:02 AM
South Korea is a real possibility. THey already operate AAVs and are building a force of 4, on paper, very capable LPDs that can each lift a reinforced battalion.
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interestedamateur    RE: Foreign Sales   9/21/2005 4:11:03 AM
Good call about the South Koreans. I also wondered whether the Australians and some European countries such as the Spanish and Italians would be interested in the EFV in the future. I'm very sceptical about the claims that the new 25,000 ton South Korean ships will be able to carry a reinforced battalion. By the time you include their supplies and a full vehicle load, I bet you're looking at two vessels per battalion. It'll be interesting to see if the South Koreans purchase some "enablers" (stores ships / tankers) to give their new LPH's a long range capability, or whether they are just thinking about the Korean theatre.
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Eagle601    RE: Foreign Sales   9/22/2005 1:34:05 AM
I've read 700 troops, 10 AFVs and 15 days worth of supplies. I don't much about SK OTEs but that should be a pretty slim battalion size force.
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