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Subject: New long range toy, the Barrett.416
doggtag    3/24/2006 12:34:55 PM
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m9916.htm http://ammoguide.com/?catid=436 Specifications: - Case Capacity 200 grains of powder - Projectile Solid brass boattail spitzer - Projectile Weight 400 grains - Projectile Length 2.0 in. - Ballistic Coefficient .943 - Cartridge OAL 4.58 in. - Muzzle Velocity 3250 fps (supersonic past 2500 yds.) - Accuracy Under 1 MOA - Barrel Length Choices 32 or 29 in. (81.28 or 73.66 cm) - Rifle Lengths 50 or 45 in. (127 or 114 cm) - Weights 25 or 23 lbs. (11 or 10.43 kg) The .416 Barrett is Ronnie Barrett's answer to California AB 50, legislation that was passed in 2004 which classified all .50 BMG rifles as "Assault Weapons". This required registration of existing guns and prevented new sales and transfers. Barrett refused to repair some Barrett rifles for the LAPD when Los Angeles passed the first ban on his products... http://calnra.com/caspecial/la50banbarrett.shtml http://calnra.com/caspecial/barrett/ The Fifty Caliber Institute is currently holding a fundraiser in which a new, California-legal Model 99-416 Barrett rifle is the prize. See http://fiftycal.org/events.php
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416   3/24/2006 6:42:53 PM
>>The .416 Barrett is Ronnie Barrett's answer to California AB 50, legislation that was passed in 2004 which classified all .50 BMG rifles as "Assault Weapons". This required registration of existing guns and prevented new sales and transfers.<< I like that the advertising for the new round/rifle combination stresses that trajectory, velocity, and accuracy are all improved. I guess that probably sounded a bit better in the literature than the "new Barret 'FU California Legislature .416' model." The best part is he'll probably sell more rifles in California now than had the lawmakers left their retarded fingers out of that particular cookie jar . . . >>Barrett refused to repair some Barrett rifles for the LAPD when Los Angeles passed the first ban on his products...<< Barrett's still stating in their advertising that they will not sell .50 caliber weapons to California state agencies, or provide any repair or service to existing weapons in state agencies inventories. I'm wondering if that extends to California ARNG Barretts -- not sure who else has them, but the company of 19th Group out in the LA area has some. I'll definitely give him some cool points for taking a stand.
 
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doggtag    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416   3/25/2006 3:12:24 AM
Two cool things today (OK, actually it was yesterday- Friday- now that I've awoken from a long evening power nap): 1) while out and about, I found the publication mentioned in one of those articles, (Harris Publications) Gun Buyer's Annual #41, "Barrett Firearms Tactical Weapons", 2006 Annual (USD $4.95 at newsstands now, with a picture of an M99 in .416 caliber). 2) On the OLN Network (the epitome of pro-gun TV) Friday afternoon, I had the divine gift of getting to see some 1/2 hour show on many AR-15 mod cartridges: everything from the .223 to the 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 Remington SPC (in M468 guise), a few .308 mods, and even the big .500 Beowulf. Plus, something I never heard of before, the .458 SoCOM. The TV show even gauged (chrono'ed & compared muzzle ft-pounds) all the rounds (including some M1911-styled handgun chambered in some stubby .50 round). So, I had to find out more on this SoCOM .458: http://458socom.com/index.htm http://www.teppojutsu.com/458.htm http://www.teppojutsu.com/458wbulletsnew.jpg> http://www.teppojutsu.com/images/prod011.jpg> http://www.tromix.com/Tromix_458.htm Interesting round.
 
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GOP    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   3/25/2006 6:33:16 PM
>>(including some M1911-styled handgun chambered in some stubby .50 round).<< Doggtag, I am almost positive that this is a .50 cal Desert Eagle. We own a 50. Desert Eagle, and the thing is almost unbearable to shoot. It isn't a M1911 styled handgun, it was developed by Magnum Research for use in the Israeli army (I presume SOF), but the Israeli's no longer use it in favor of the .40 (much more versatile weapon).
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   3/25/2006 7:08:22 PM
>>Doggtag, I am almost positive that this is a .50 cal Desert Eagle. We own a 50. Desert Eagle, and the thing is almost unbearable to shoot. It isn't a M1911 styled handgun, it was developed by Magnum Research for use in the Israeli army (I presume SOF), but the Israeli's no longer use it in favor of the .40 (much more versatile weapon). << If it was a 1911, I'm guessing it might have been one chambered for .50GI (Guncrafter Industries, not gov't issue). At least that's the only .50 1911 I've heard of -- http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/50gi_cartridge.shtml
 
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doggtag    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   3/26/2006 11:46:17 AM
Thanks, HS. It was indeed the .50GI, (after seeing it on their website, thx). I checked the OLN Network's site to see if the name of the show might be on there, but to no avail. However, I DID find it under their affiliate program, Shooting USA, hosted by Jim Scoutten: http://www.shootingusa.com/SIGHTING_IN_SHOWS/11_FUTURE_GUNS/11_future_guns.html They do a very nice comparison, showing each round beside a 5.56, with velocities, bullet weights, power factors, and muzzle energies. Interesting that the .458 SoCOM just noses out the .50 Beowulf, just.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   3/27/2006 8:36:59 AM
>>Interesting that the .458 SoCOM just noses out the .50 Beowulf, just.<< All three of the heavy caliber AR options (those two plus .499 Leitner-Wise) are all very interesting and I'd love to see how they handle and do some "scientific" range tests with them like blasting watermelons to pieces and such. But I have not loved the idea quite enough, yet, to shell out the $600+ for an upper receiver, to say nothing of the ammo costs (that's for the Beowulf, my recollection is that Leitner-Wise and Teppu Jutsu both want more like $1000 for one of their uppers).
 
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buzzard    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   4/3/2006 2:24:33 PM
I know I've seen an article on a 1911 variant chambered in .50AE before. I believe it was called the Grizzly. I don't recall the manufacturer. It was quite a heavy beast of a gun which was intended to keep the recoil a bit more manageable. buzzard
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:New long range toy, the Barrett.416 - doggtag   4/3/2006 3:49:21 PM
With a bit of googling, it appears you're absolutely correct -- LAR Grizzly (apparently not to be mistaken for the same company's .50BMG rifle also called the Grizzly). Can't seem to find a good website detailing the weapon very well (LAR apparently quit making them in 1999 or so), but it sounds like it was available in a range of larger/more powerful than 45 ACP cartridges and such, and was basically an M1911 built to somewhat larger scale than the actual .45/38 Super/9mm guns would be. Here's a link to a Guns America entry for one in 45 Win Mag: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976577367.htm
 
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doggtag    Crap from the movies   4/9/2006 10:53:26 AM
I remember Dirty Harry (Eastwood) harping on his "44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun ever made", and wonder where they'd have gone with his movies were some of these newer (50 Desert Eagle, etc) heavier loads available. ("Did I have a full magazine, or did I only have 5 or 6 rounds? Feel lucky?") Perhaps we'll see some cop/SWAT movie harping on the effects of using 12.7mm rifles for long range "anti-violence" work, or bashing felons behind cover (walls, cars, and other stuff that shotguns, handguns, and 5.56 can't do sh*t against)? I'm thinking back to that robbery/shoot out in California a while back when the crooks were wearing "cop proof" body armor: something like a 50 Barrett would've stopped them cold, I would think. Or even this new 416 were it available. ...but I suppose Cali cops have to be PC, and big bore ammo (even if used in interchangeable uppers as opposed to dedicated rifles) wouldn't be fair to the criminals?
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Crap from the movies   4/9/2006 12:47:49 PM
>>I remember Dirty Harry (Eastwood) harping on his "44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun ever made", and wonder where they'd have gone with his movies were some of these newer (50 Desert Eagle, etc) heavier loads available. ("Did I have a full magazine, or did I only have 5 or 6 rounds? Feel lucky?")<< Dirty Harry was released in December 1971, .50 Action Express for the Desert Eagle was not developed until 1988. The .44 Auto Mag round appeared in "late 1971" so would probably not have been around during filming, and almost certainly not around when the script was written. (But .454 Casull was around, though I don't know how well known it was at the time.) (Movie info from IMDB, ammunition info from Cartridges of the World.) >>Perhaps we'll see some cop/SWAT movie harping on the effects of using 12.7mm rifles for long range "anti-violence" work, or bashing felons behind cover (walls, cars, and other stuff that shotguns, handguns, and 5.56 can't do sh*t against)?<< The cop-gone-bad villain in the recent SWAT movie used some sort of .50 caliber rifle to shoot down an LAPD helicopter at one point in the film. I actually suspect this video clip played prominently in the anti-50 cal campaign mounted by the "guns are bad, mmmm kay?" weenies in California . . . >>...but I suppose Cali cops have to be PC, and big bore ammo (even if used in interchangeable uppers as opposed to dedicated rifles) wouldn't be fair to the criminals?<< I don't think the LAPD has ever been especially known for its PC leanings : ) As it presently stands, I think they've gone to all patrol cars carrying a semi-only M16A1 in addition to sidearms and shotguns previously carried. (May be wrong on the "all" part -- I know where I live getting LEOs actually qualified to carry AR-type long guns has, historically, been a bit of an issue, since -- from what I'm told by LEOs I know -- for every cop who can shoot well there's at least one who should be restricted to Barney Fife-style carry . . .).
 
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