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Subject: US Army Combat Arms vs Combat Support & Combat Service Support basic training.
Jeff_F_F    10/12/2007 6:50:59 PM
I'm curious. I went through a Combat Service Support basic training (that is, most of the people there went on to be truck drivers) in 1996. I don't know how typical my experiences were, and how they compared to those of soldiers going through Combat Arms basic training. Here is a brief description of my experience: About half of the running we did was running back to the barracks from chow, which I did and a lot of my fellow recruits didn't. We had PT but it wasn't all that intense. I remember in ROTC we worked out for an hour an a half 3 days a week, and I was always so exhausted I couldn't eat breakfast afterward, and only after one smoke session did I feel that way in Basic Training. We went through the STX lane in the bivouac phase with no training in the performance of any of the events (that was truely pathetic and frustrating, people lieing in front of an ambush shouting "Gas, gas, gas!" and putting on their gas masks when they saw the white smoke from the simulators...). We threw two live grenades and then ran through a grenade course and all got grenade Expert badges for it even without having any further training other than the minimum of how to physically pull the pin, drop the pin, throw and take cover. BRM was handled professionally though. I'm guessing it is harder to let that slide...
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longrifle       10/12/2007 11:09:10 PM
I thought Infantry OSUT at Ft. Benning in 1984 had rigor and warrior spirit.  I imagine it still does.

PT five to six days a week.  Runs up to 10k, roadmarches, confidence and obstacle courses, rifle drill, log drill, grass drills, guerilla drills, and rifle bayonet fighting techniques including pugil fighting.  It wasn't the toughest thing I've ever done but it wasn't a hand holding training program either.  The hand to hand was a joke though. 

The combat training was good but could have been better.  By that I mean they could have designed more realistic and valuable training exercises.  The instruction was okay as far as it went.

I thought BRM could have been a lot better.  A lot of time should have been spent on the old KD range before pushing trainees into the trainfire (field fire) course of that era.  Going to giving up KD for trainfire was throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  Both have a place.  
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