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Subject: Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?
Pakistani    3/20/2002 10:04:18 AM
Can Free Trade Really Prevent War? by Richard M. Ebeling [Posted March 20, 2002] Delivered as part of a panel devoted to "The Warfare State," during the Ludwig von Mises Institute's Austrian Scholars Conference 8, March 15-16, 2002 in Auburn, Alabama. The Classical Liberals of the nineteenth century were certain that the end of the old Mercantilist system--with its government control of trade and commerce, its bounties (subsidies) and prohibitions on exports and imports--would open wide vistas for improving the material conditions of man through the internationalization of the system of division of labor. They also believed that the elimination of barriers to trade and the free intercourse among men would help to significantly reduce if not end the causes of war among nations. The economists of that earlier era had demonstrated the mutual gains from trade that would develop and be reinforced from specialization in productive activities among the people of the world. No longer would the material improvements of one nation be viewed as the inevitable cause of the poverty and economic hardships of other countries. And with the addition of the theory of comparative advantage these economists were able show that even the "weak" and less productive in the world community could find a niche for their material betterment in the network of trade among nations. At the same time, the "strong" and more productive in that same community of nations would improve their circumstances by purchasing goods from the less productive so they could be freed to specialize in those lines of production in which they had a relative superiority. Suppose that in the country of Superioristan, one yard of cloth can be produced in four hours and one bushel of potatoes can be harvested in one hour, while in the nation of Inferioristan, producing a yard of cloth takes twelve hours and harvesting a bushel of potatoes takes two hours. Clearly, Superioristan is a lower cost producer of both products in comparison to Inferioristan. Superioristan is three times more productive at cloth manufacturing and twice as productive in potato harvesting. But equally clear is the fact that Superioristan is comparatively more cost-efficient in cloth manufacturing. That is, when Superioristan foregoes the manufacture of a yard of cloth, it can harvest four bushels of potatoes. But when Inferioristan foregoes the manufacture of a yard of cloth, it can harvest six bushels of potatoes. If Superioristan and Inferioristan were to exchange cloth for potatoes at the price ratio of, say, one yard of cloth for five bushels of potatoes, both nations could be made better off, with Superioristan specializing in cloth manufacturing and Inferioristan in potato harvesting. Superioristan would now receive five bushels of potatoes for a yard of its cloth, rather than the four bushels if it harvested at home all the potatoes it consumed. And Inferioristan would receive a yard of cloth for only giving up five bushels of potatoes, rather than the six bushels if it manufactured at home all of the cloth it used. Thus, in the middle of the eighteenth century, David Hume could declare, in his famous essay, "Of the Jealousy of Trade," "I shall therefore venture to acknowledge that, not only as a man, but as a British subject, I pray for the flourishing commerce of Germany, Spain, Italy, and even France itself."[1] The wealthier and more productive a nation?s potential trading partners, the greater the number and the less expensive the array of goods that it may be able to obtain through exchange in comparison to being solely dependent for its material well-being upon its own domestic productive capabilities. But the Classical Liberals believed that free trade meant more than just a more plentiful supply of goods and services. They also were confident that with freedom of trade would come a world of peace and international tranquility. As the French economist, Frederic Passy, expressed it in the 1840s, "Some day all barriers will fall; some day mankind, constantly united by continuous transactions, will form just one workshop, one market, and one family. . . . And this is . . . the grandeur, the truth, the nobility, I might almost say the holiness of the free-trade doctrine; by the prosaic but effective pressure of [material] interest it tends to make justice and harmony prevail in the world." War, therefore, is not only destructive but also contrary to the long-run economic well-being of all belligerents because it disrupts the existing or potential bonds of the division of labor from which the prosperity can come to replace the poverty and conflicts of mankind. "War," Frederic Passy declared, "is no longer merely a crime; it is an absurdity. It is no longer merely immoral and cruel; it is stupid. It is no longer merely murder on a large scale; it is suicide and voluntary ruin."[2] The nineteenth century was not without war and international c
 
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Ben    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/20/2002 11:21:43 AM
Very interesting post, Pakistani. of course, it should be pointed out that until the Serbian campaign broke an otherwise perfect record, no two nations with McDonalds restaurants had ever fought a war against each other. Viva cheeseburgers!
 
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pfd    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 10:25:11 AM
I don't think that free trade can prevent a war between nations that trade. It can help create a new perspective between nations that trade. Often states that trade generally increase their trade volumes and spectum of trade. Many times it creates a degree of interdependence. I believe that this can damp down many of the frictions between nations. It also open many 'back doors' for alternate diplomacy and communication. You will find this evident between states that are not, on the surface, on the best of terms. The causes of conflict are many and the will to engage in conflict is highly variable. Misperception and misunderstanding are major sources of friction. Good communication that is a general byproduct of strong trade ties helps keep the lid on. Even if a state feels it could get a win, the possibility of a serious short, or worse long term hit could give the leadership reason for pause. I feel that stupidity is probably the most common commodity in mankind's history and has little import/export value. It is a franchise that we all market to some extent to ouselves and others. I own a big box of it myself. To me, that is the primary cause of conflict. To some extent, trade and it's intangible byblows helps to (hopefully) increase knowledge and understanding. Of course the Opium wars completely blow my post right out of the waters.
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 12:06:54 PM
Free trade provides a disincentive to go to war, but this disincentive can be countered by other incentives viewed by the people and governments of the aggressor as more paramount. In addition, free trade can provide some incentives that actually increase the likelihood of violent conflicts. For example: when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, we sent a strong and open military presence into a realm that was traditionally the sphere of influence of the Soviet Union and China. Afghanistan actually shares a very small border with China. In a more insular or xenophobic world, the Chinese would almost certainly have objected more strenuously to the presence of American forces in the region, despite the fact that China has been having its own problems with religious extremism. However, because of the tens of billions of dollars that China rakes in every year because of the huge and growing trade surplus (trade deficit from our point of view) they have with the United States, they were probably significantly less vocal in such opposition than they would have otherwise been. The same logic that would argue against a U.S.-China war (China would not want to lose their immense trade surplus, the U.S. would not want to lose access to Chinese markets and labor) actually argues in favor of aggression in the immediate area, because it provides a disincentive for China to create or involve itself in trouble that it could reasonably avoid. Another example that never happened: if Osama's dream had come true, and a fundamentalist regime had come to power in Pakistan, I think the trade incentives of Pakistani textiles and other fruits of unskilled labor would have been far insufficient to counter the political and military threat such a state would pose. There is a reason why trade is often classified as "low politics" and national security as "high politics." In times of need, a country that is geuinely interested in its own survival will put the concerns of its wallet on the back burner. Another example that might happen in the near future: if America decides that Iraq poses a great enough threat to our interests, then even an open threat of a complete oil embargo from every Middle Eastern state would not deter the invasion. In this case, burgeoning worldwide free trade actually aids the U.S. because the relative importance of the Middle East declines the more the Russian and Central Asian oil fields are developed and opened to American investors and buyers. The Middle East actually provides only 22% or so (I don't have the latest figures) of U.S. oil consumption. That is significant, but not irreparable ... and the Saudis and neighboring states know that they will lose one of their best customers if they choose to issue such an embargo. As free trade takes firmer hold in Russia, the ability of America (and other states, including Europe and China) to say "screw the Saudis" increases. The Russians know this, which is probably one of the reasons Ivanov has recently downgraded his discouragement of U.S. action in Iraq to "we would hope that Russia would be consulted before any such action is taken." This seems like a reasonable request. In addition, as economic power becomes much closer to political power in a world of free trade, competition for resources can thus become all the more fierce. I'm still holding my breath to see how events play out regarding the recent discovery of rich oil fields in the South China Sea. America loves the idea of a world of free trade because it turns one of our greatest weaknesses into one of our greatest strengths: our trade deficit. Basically, anyone can sell anything here, and very few countries claim a trade deficit against the U.S. That means anyone who actually takes action ... not just words (we tend to let those go), but action ... against the U.S. is jeopardizing what is very likely a lucrative source of revenue for their country, and unless they feel VERY strongly about an issue, they're very likely to let our actions go. By contrast, countries such as those of the Middle East despise the idea of a world of free trade because it opens up markets that compete against theirs and erodes the economic backbone of their regimes. The emergence of Russia as a competitor to OPEC is a major development in late 20th-century economic history, though the first two years of this century have been even more promising. Russia is being very accomodating to the U.S. right now because they know that America's problems in the Middle East are only likely to grow, and they stand to make a killing if they can stand up as a viable alternative. The barriers to trade here are largely cultural still, but even those will gradually diminish as those who were born during the height of the Cold War and can't shake their anti-Russian prejudices begin to die off or fade from positions of economic and political importance. Furthermore, the one thing most Middle Eastern countries a
 
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bsl    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 4:43:22 PM
P, That is as near to a comprehensive explanation as you'll find, and it's mostly correct. However, it's also well not to take any economic theory used to explain politics as more than a guideline. An explanation of general influences and biases in the system. There are people on all sides of this debate who seem to substitute economics for theology and treat economic systems as something holy, to be venerated and defended against infidels with righteous rage and a lot of blood on the floor. What is significant in the thesis you quote is that an international environment favoring free trade and limiting government control of economic relations tends to create more wealth and generate less war than the alternatives. That's a reasonable statement of fact. It would be a mistake to go further, and argue that such a system inevitably produces wealth for every one, in every country, under every circumstance; that the system, generally, works instaneously or uniformly under all circumstances, or that war, even under such a system, is *impossible*. bsl
 
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bsl    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 4:48:32 PM
pfd, The point isn't that such a system creates magic shields against war. It's that such a system creates conditions under which war is less likely among countries which share the system. As for "misunderstandins", while there IS something to the thesis that war can, on occasion, result from mistaken perceptions or a lack of effective communications, I think this is probably the most widely mistaken thesis in pop political science in the last 50 years. To the contrary, virtually all the wars I can call to mind from the 20th century involved opponents who DID understand what the other side was about. In most of the instances when one side did NOT understand the other, it became the victim of that other side's *real* intentions, having "misunderstood" them only in the sense of not believing that the enemy really intended to go to war. bsl
 
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bsl    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 4:49:49 PM
"no two nations with McDonalds restaurants had ever fought a war against each other." Immanuel Kant would be so proud
 
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Pakistani    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 6:50:57 PM
If the Arabs actually more industry than oil and Pakistan and agfanistan also had strong economies and trade between all nations existed without restrection, how many people think 911 would have happened? If the Palistanins had a strong economy how many think they would contiune to fight Israel? If the economies of both countires were linked how many of you think they would still have conflict?
 
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bsl    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/21/2002 7:08:40 PM
If the ecnomies of Germany and Czechoslovakia had been linked in 1936, would there have been a Munich Conference? It is simplistic to the point of serious error to try to make a lessened likelihood of conflict resulting from economic success and interdependence into an actual Aegis against war. Doesn't work that way. Among other things, the western world WAS heavily interdependent, economically speaking, and in a substantially free trade regime in the years leading up to WW1. Didn't stop that one. And, even with the best efforts, even efficient economies and international economic regimes can have bad periods, which can, in turn CREATE the conditions for war, which was what happened BETWEEN WW1 and WW2. Similarly, economics doesn't necessarily control ideology, and there is simply no way to guarantee that rich Arabs will not be hostile Arabs. Some of the most vociferously anti Wester, anti Israeli, anti Christian, anti Jewish people in the last several generations have been the Saudis, who have been, for most of that period, some of the wealthiest people in the world. Iraq was WEALTHY by regional standards when Hussein started his wars of conquest, first with Iraq, then with Kuwait. And, in Iraq's case, that wasn't wealth confined to the elite. Iraq had perhaps the largest middle class in the Arab world and the best educated.
 
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pfd    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/24/2002 4:32:41 AM
Firstly, I didn's say free trade and it's resultant communications avenues prevented conflict. My point was that it can create a hefty speed bump. As to misunderstandig and miscalculation, look to early US and Canadian affairs where we would wage war and get our butts kicked. As for Europes two disasters- the first was considered inevitable due to massive miscalcu- lation and misunderstanding of how the world works. Following the British lead, European Governments (generally non-democratic) had a fantasy that the world was something to be stolen. The curse was limited real estate. This was a gangster mentality that helped cause the biggest gang war in history. As to economics causing WWII- I don't buy it. It helped facism out due the fact that it gave the fantasy of at 'least doing some- thing'. The natural economic recovery gave these movements added legitimacy. The mind-set and worldview of earlier times simply not been properly dispelled. That, coupled with an antiquated notion of what a 'peace treaty' should be kept the fires smoldering for a re-match. Non of these factors were associated with trade or other forms of pacific interraction. Lastly the concept of free trade and global interraction seems to me to be different back then. A lot of nationalism was tied to trade and commodity control. More of an amassment of goods and treasure for a nation's use than a constant flow for corporate use. A small but significant example could be the British mania on having a native company that could guarante a supply of oil for the RN in the early years of the 20th century. I have more examples and ideas on the topic but I will hand the soapbox over for now. Next.
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Can Free Trade Really Prevent War?    3/24/2002 1:06:08 PM
Pakistani, Unfortunately, I actually think that all of the episodes you mentioned would still have happened. 9/11 was not an economic statement, despite the fact that its most prominent target was a symbol of American economic power. It was a political and cultural statement; the Islamic world doesn't mind getting their hands on American money, they just don't want our cultural influences to come with it. On the other hand, when you say "if the Arabs actually had more industry" and "if Pakistan and Afghanistan had strong economies," 9/11 would have been less likely, you have a point ... if you acknowledge that such circumstances could not occur in a vacuum. For example, if the Taliban had never come to power in Afghanistan, Afghanistan might have had a stronger economy. Conversely, if Afghanistan had had a stronger economy, it would have been less likely that an extremist movement like the Taliban could grow and gain support there. This, in turn, would have made 9/11 less likely. Look at what happened to China when they began to implement market-oriented (read: Western) economic reforms, and began to invite Western businesses into China. Look at what is happening in Russia and India now, and they've only liberalized in the last decade or so. If China eventually bows to internal political pressure and democratizes, my (somewhat unpatriotic) guess is that the 21st century will be the golden age of Asia. However, those countries have modernized more than just their economies. Their governments and societies are rapidly clambering into the 21st century as well. Politics, economics, and society are all intertwined. Countries that insist on remaining culturally in the 16th century will never be able to make it economically in the 21st. The bottom line is that the same kind of culture that promotes free trade and democracy is also less likely to want to attack symbols of free trade and democracy. Therefore, if the economies of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. were more industrialized and diversified, it would probably be because they had accepted many Western influences into their culture. The risk of a 9/11 occurring would be correspondingly less, but the economic prosperity would be a sign of the reason, not the reason itself. --Phoenix Rising
 
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