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Subject: Koran reading question
sofa    4/21/2006 11:20:53 PM
Can someone help me find any portions of the Koran which set out any humanism or respect for others?

It seems to be about killing and surpressing others, while being barbaric to your neighbors and your own family.

Hadiths seem worse.

Maybe I missed a part.

 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question   4/22/2006 6:42:49 PM
Maybe you read a bad translation as Quran is mostly very humanist. If you have a question from any part of Quran, I like to help.
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question _1   4/25/2006 3:07:31 PM
Is Muslim raping women of other faiths free from blame? (Koran 23:6)
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/25/2006 3:25:32 PM
"Qur?an 8:39 ?So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Do muslims ignore this instruction?
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _1   4/26/2006 8:23:10 PM
Sursh 23. 1. The believers must (eventually) win through,- 2. Those who humble themselves in their prayers; 3. Who avoid vain talk; 4. Who are active in deeds of charity; 5. Who abstain from sex, 6. Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or concubines whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, The Quran acknowledges polygamy and concubinage. Personally I believe polygamy has fulfilled its usefullness long time ago.
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/26/2006 8:38:42 PM
The translation you refer to is a very bad one. Here is much better translation. 8.39. And fight them on until there is no more Fitna (tumult or oppression), and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. From Wikipedia "Fitna (فتنة) is an Arabic word, generally regarded as very difficult to translate. It is often used to refer to civil war, disagreement and division within Islam and specifically alludes to a time involving trials of faith, similar to the Tribulation in Christian eschatology. The word also implies meanings including secession, upheaval and anarchy." And Alah means the God. Again from Wikipedia. <> According to Islam all Christians and Jews are also believers of Allah (the God).
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/26/2006 8:40:19 PM
From Wikipedia: Although, outside the Arab world, use of the word Allâh is most often associated with Islam, it is not exclusive to that faith; Arab Christians and various Arabic-speaking Jews (including the Teimanim, several Mizraḥi communities and some Sephardim) also use it to refer to the monotheist deity. Arabic translations of the Bible also employ it, as do Roman Catholics in Malta (who pronounce it as "Alla"), Christians in Indonesia, who say "Allah Bapa" (God the Father) and Christians in the Middle East who use the Aramaic "Allâha". Islamic use of "Allâh" From the point of view of traditional Islamic theology, Allâh is the most precious name of God because it is not a descriptive name like other ninety-nine names of God, but the name of God's own presence. Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam. In Islam, there is only one God and Muhammad is the last messenger.
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/27/2006 5:06:47 PM
"According to Islam all Christians and Jews are also believers of Allah (the God)" Under what condictions is beheading ok?
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/28/2006 4:14:49 AM
"Under what condictions is beheading ok?" Treason.
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/28/2006 11:21:46 PM
So beheading is OK for Treason. Against who, what?
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _2   4/29/2006 7:13:39 PM
Treason against the state especially during war time. This is generally what is meant by the word "fitna".
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question _3   5/14/2006 7:53:17 PM
Later sections of Koran encourage barbarism and killing. These later verses have greatest importance in Hadiths, and are publicly professed to be an important part of the Islamic faith. Question: When people study the verses and the Hadiths and continue to be Muslims, then aren't they accepting and supporting barbarism? Aren't they encouraging and participating in actions designed to violently destroy my family and way of life?
 
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Pars    RE:Koran reading question _3   5/15/2006 8:23:09 AM
I know no sections which encourages barbartism and killing. Can you be more specific? Which sections you are talking about?
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question   7/4/2006 9:54:55 AM
Pars - Have you read the Koran, or do you just recite phrases in a language you don't understand? As a terror manual, the Koran instructs how to butcher enemies to the best effect. It seems to be about killing and surpressing others, while being barbaric to your neighbors and your own family. Can someone help me find any portions of the Koran which set out any humanism or respect for others (non-muslim)? What does the Koran offer me, a non-muslim? Subjugation, slavery, butchery. --Perhaps I should do onto Islam as Islam would do onto me.
 
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kane    RE:Koran reading question   7/9/2006 9:06:28 AM
I don't know as much as Pars do but from the community i live in(Turkey which is mostly Muslim),i can say that no one beheads people or hate people from other religions BUT they are scared from other religions because of USA. No one tried to kill me when i said i'm an ateist and no one will And many Turks judge if there is god or not and they're not exterimist. And I researched Christiantiy a bit and i realized that it is very similar to Islam(as our teachers told us).But if you look carefully at other ıslamic communities you can see that Islamic people are different because they're exterimist.Same things are in both religion but Islamic people made it nore extreme.This extremism is forbidden in Turkey.
 
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sofa    RE:Koran reading question   7/11/2006 11:57:43 PM
How do muslims in turkey reconcile the directives in the koran with living within a secular society? Islam calls for a specific form of government and law. Islam is a jihad against secularism. But how do folks reconcile those directives in the koran with living within a secular society, with secular laws, and with a representative form of government? It seems that the extremism comes in waves. It also seems that every crisis needs to be met firmly, to keep the extremism in check.
 
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