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BFD15    9/27/2005 3:46:13 PM
Plenty of news happening in the Canadian forces but not touched on here. Increasing the forces by 8000 people, 5000 regulars and 3000 reserve, Increasing the defence budget by 12 billion CDN dollars over the next 5 years, building 3 joint support ships for the navy with the possible purchase of a "big honkin ship" to quote the CDS Hillier. This is assumed to be either a San Antonia or Galicia LPD. The bill being sent to parliament now for the purchase of 12-15 ch-47 chinook helicopters,12-15 c27 spartan SAR fixed wing aircraft,15-20 c-130j Hercules transports and 2 An-124 Condor strategic lift aircraft. 33 multi mision effect vehicles, new satelite capabilities, new wolf vehicles to replace the iltis, new closed link digital comms for the army,66 stryker direct fire support vehicles, new L-177 howitzers for the arty ,28 cyclone maritime helicopters, new sniper targeting system and finally talk of midlife upgrades for the CPFs and replacing both the 280s and CPFs with a single class surface combatant in around 2017. Seems like the times are a changing and the years of cutbacks to the CF are turning 180 for a better future. This site seems to have the misinformed view the CF has broken down to a third world police force, and that could not be further from the truth.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:(no subject)   9/27/2005 7:57:58 PM
L-177 Howitzers? Do you mean the M777?
 
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JIMF    RE:(no subject)-BFD15   9/27/2005 8:18:26 PM
What is behind the increased numbers, spending, and new systems, from a political/strategic perspective.
 
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BFD15    RE:(no subject)   9/27/2005 8:33:53 PM
L-177 Howitzers? Do you mean the M777? sorry yes, this is what i meant, apparently the forces is trying to piggyback on American orders to supply our 1200 troops that will be deploying to Afganistan with a bigger punch than the 105s they have there now, And from what i understand these new howitzers allow the use of more precise ammunition. As far as reasoning, A new, no nonsense chief of the Defence staff Gen. Rick Hillier has taken the helm and has got the ear of the Prime minister and Defence minister, he was promoted over others because he has a plan and sold it to the boss. It would seem by the recent developments and scuttlebut that they Canadian forces are going to be modeled after the USMC. The Navy and Airforce will be tailored to supporting a more robust army. The Conservatives made defence an election issue with talk of buying aircraft carriers and the like, but it did cause the public to finally take notice and show that there is a lot of support to equip the CF properly.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:(no subject)   9/27/2005 9:06:15 PM
I work on the M777, so I will keep you posted on how your guns turn out ;)
 
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doggtag    RE:(no subject)   9/27/2005 9:34:16 PM
AE, if you don't mind my asking, a while back there was a concept based on the Piranha 8x8 to mount your gun on an aft pedestal that lowered to the gound for firing, and was stowed over the vehicle for travel by "flipping" it over 180 degrees. Was this ever actually trialled, or just a paper/computer animation concept? (or is it on your no-no list of what you can and can't talk about?) I ask this because, since the Canadians seem bent on swapping out their Leo1s for the Stryker MGS, would it not be sensible for them to incorporate a sutiable SP gun for support? (I don't see them buying the NLOS-C, or the BAe Supacat 8x6 portee model, or Caesar for that matter if they're opting for the M777.)
 
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BFD15    RE:(no subject)   9/27/2005 10:04:55 PM
I work on the M777, so I will keep you posted on how your guns turn out ;) It is my understanding the CF is purchasing only 6 guns at this time to be deployed to Afganistan in February. These are towed 155mms and there is a study going on now to replace much of Canada's arty with some shoot and scoot capability, I'm not sure how "your" guns will factor in this development. It is my understanding they will deploy with the excalibur round, apparently it is good up to 30kmand can place a shell within 3metres of a designated target, but maybe you could tell me more?
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:(no subject)-doggtag   9/28/2005 12:35:20 AM
We got to quite a detailed level of design, only tricky thing was ammunition handling, and trying to make ammunition handling system compatible with all modular charge systems under development at that time, however we never actually cut metal. Several reasons, only operational requirement was FCS, N-LOS-C was already at teh tech demonstrator stage and we hadnt a hope of catching up within timeframe. Which was weird, I was in the UK one moment doing some work on our SP system, and then going to Minneapolis to help integrate the M777 elevating mass onto the UDLP chassis, knowing that in doing so we were hurting our chances of ever feilding our Lightweight Self Propelled (LWSP). Who could have seen we were going to buy UDLP a few years down the line!!!! Other main reason was that the system was too radical, people just didnt like the concept of firing over the trails. Even though we succesfully fought the cause of towing the M777 by the muzzle!!! These two thing alone meant that funding was never available for full development of the system, and to be honest it pisses me off that our marketing types keep showing that CG model as if it was something that within a feww months we could be building. (God I hate marketing). Regarding the Supacat "Contraption" havent had hands on so cant comment ;) Well actually I could from talking to other Test Engineers, but I will refrain. Take from that statement what you wish ;)
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:(no subject) - BFD15   9/28/2005 12:45:41 AM
My breifing said definitely 6, possibly 12, dont know how Canadian Arty Batteries are composed, maybe you could enlighted? 4 or 6 guns per battery? Glad to hear deployment not til Feb, I know when I am supposed to deliver, even what serial numbers for the first six. Regarding Excalibur, I knew the push was on to feild it, but without the M777A1 (Digital Fire Control Equipped Howitzer) My weapon doesnt have the operational capability to use, unless Raytheon will provide a stand alone setup to recieve target data from the FDC and transfer it to the round. Talking about Excalibur is something I have to be carefull about its not my program, I just help them out by giving them a platform to test with. However it is F@#king Awesome!!!!
 
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Ehran    RE:(no subject)   9/28/2005 2:20:58 PM
i'd be more optimistic about this if i hadn't been through the Beatty white paper years ago. it all looked nice till they pols saw the bottom line and hacked up their collective lungs.
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:(no subject)   9/28/2005 3:08:16 PM
Question: Can you population support the expansion of the size of your military by 8,000?
 
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