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Subject: The China Syndrome & the British Navy
human7    7/10/2004 10:00:29 AM
If China launches an invasion of Taiwan, the United States would most certainly react. (This whole notion of ambiguity is American PR.) The question is would the United Kingdom would the stand idly by or would they help to repel the Chinks?
 
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Yimmy    RE:The China Syndrome & the British Navy   6/1/2005 12:10:09 PM
I think "chink", is an American thing, I have never heard an Englishman use it. Chino maybe, but not Chink.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Understanding China ...   6/1/2005 3:01:32 PM
2 nights ago I had a chat on "Teamspeak" with some friends from the US , Oz and Sueden . The topic was China ... One said :" who could use a Nuke nowadays and who against ?" another one said :" China . One missile on India ." First one :" Really ? ...and what would India do ?" Second one :" drop on theirs knees and beg ." Third one : "What about the rest of the World ?" First one :" Yes , what about it ?" Second one :" They would do what China told them to do ." All the others :" ??? ...Really ?" Second one : " Yep . Because Chineses will do ANYTHING to avoid SHAME . If you corner China you 're gonna get nuked . So they 'll dictate without fear of retaliation ." (silence) .... Second one again : "You don 't go to war with China , you talk to them ..." ***************************************************** Very few posters here know and understand Chinese culture . Chineses can stand up to anything with Honor , Pride and Attitude . A student can face alone a Tank , remember ? Chineses WILL do whatever they want if it 's in their belief and interest without asking permission to the World because they KNOW they would win a Nuclear War and no-one in the West is ready or willing to take the risk . If the US ~or any other Fleet~ would get in their way , they would nuke half of the Pacific Ocean . Just to make sure ... Cheers .
 
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displacedjim    RE:Understanding China ...   6/1/2005 3:58:13 PM
Then I guess that will make for one very hot summer if they do. And if I were president that bit of information (even if true) wouldn't change how I acted toward them in the slightest. If we have cause to support some country against Chinese agression, then we should do so regardless of Chinese threats/promises to elevate the issue to nuclear exchange. Backing down from the Chinese in any and all confrontations just because like a schoolyard bully/spoiled brat they threaten to use nukes if they can't get their way is wrong and will ONLY lead to further Chinese aggression. The only correct way to react to any move they make is to react as if they don't have any nukes at all. If they want to nuke us just because they're losing their invasion of the Spratleys or Taiwan or wherever, then if I was president my response would be, "Throw down, let's see what you've got." Maybe it's a good thing I will never be president. Displacedjim
 
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Herc the Merc    RE:Understanding China ...   6/1/2005 5:06:27 PM
Bluewings, arn't you a joy. How many times has China been humiliated by Japan & Britain?? China is more bluster than deed.
 
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Herc the Merc    RE:Understanding China ...   6/1/2005 5:09:48 PM
Second one :" drop on theirs knees and beg ." In 1962 India called in for a US carrier group.
 
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Herc the Merc    True Chinese psyche- Bluewings   6/1/2005 5:36:37 PM
Actually Bluewings to understand the Chinese the Tianmmen square is not an example, if they were so prepared to use nukes and damn the consequences Taiwan would be sucked in or obliterated a longtime ago. You are right on one point the Chinese will avoid"Shame", but they would do it by avoiding confrontation in which they may lose(with the US they will lose 100% of the scenario's in air & sea) and not by nuking the opposition. I wouldn't be afraid of a mad Chinese nuclear assault, I would be afraid if leaderships of countries so that as a threat and got weak in the knees.
 
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Bluewings    RE:True Chinese psyche- Bluewings   6/1/2005 8:55:16 PM
Herc , we are talking about Nuclear explosions here . Over Cities ... ie: Delhi wiped out , India would cry their deads and turn to the World with a pray on her lips . They would not retaliate as Chinese Nuclear Power is simply too big . All the Nukes in the World would only turn 10% of Chinese soil into glass , no more . China would recover faster than anybody else after a Nuclear War . Because of population concentration , Europe would be the first to disapear into oblivion , closely followed by the USA . Japan would be wiped out , Korea would look like Hell and Russia ... I don 't know , they could fire too but WHO AT ? . 1962 is 43 years ago . The "second one" also said that the World forgot what an atomic explosion is and the fear of pressing the button again is now gone . I have been on SP for a bit now but I never talked about Nuclear exchanges , but there is one thing I know : China is willing to use the Atom if necessary . That leads me to a sensitive topic : Arming China . Some wise Men are aware of China 's DECISION to retake what its Her . They simply will with OR without using Nuclear Fire . So , the decision has been made to equip China to allow Her to do it IN A CONVENTIONAL WAY , without resorting to ICBMs . By giving China better Subs , Aircrafts , etc , we in fact avoid a futur Nuclear conflict . If we give them confidence in their Conventional arsenal , allowing them to fight and WIN without us ~the West~ taking too many casualties , it 's for the better . I know it may sound crazy to some , but keep in mind that China has already taken the decision to go forward . Actually the best choice would be NOT to get involved AT ALL . Cheers .
 
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Yimmy    RE:True Chinese psyche- Bluewings   6/1/2005 9:00:48 PM
"All the Nukes in the World would only turn 10% of Chinese soil into glass , no more . China would recover faster than anybody else after a Nuclear War" Buewings, I have to strongly disagree with that. All the nukes in the world being detonated would make the human race extinct several times over.
 
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Bluewings    RE:True Chinese psyche- Bluewings   6/1/2005 9:05:04 PM
Yimmy , you are overestimating Nuclear power and underestimating the Human race . Cheers .
 
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Yimmy    RE:True Chinese psyche- Bluewings   6/1/2005 9:10:52 PM
Think about how many nukes America and Russia have, then add in China, India, Pakistan, the UK, France, Israel, North Korea, and any others which I have forgotten... Now, I know the "Nuclear Winter" theory is debateable, but I am 100% certain that so many nukes going off would effectively end the human race, be it by radiation mutation/sterilisation, climate change or whatever. Hell, if all those nukes were to go off at the same place it may even be enough to knock the Earth out of our eclipse orbit.
 
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