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ShadowRyu Who is Erwin Rommel??? 12/29/2004 2:25:59 AM

Who is Erwin Rommel??

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BLUEMOON RE:Who is Erwin Rommel??? 12/29/2004 2:37:27 AM

America has better Generals than Rommel.Patton kicked his butt and Franks just got through winning 2 wars.Besides boast, what has a China done in the past 50 years ?.

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Croaker8989 franks vs rommel 12/29/2004 3:17:00 AM

Rommel was understaved, undersupplied, and out gunned yet he brought about a whole new wave of tatics. He also was a hero to germany gave it a face and pride. Franks on the other hand is in command of the best military force on the planet and he's won the war in Iraq but he's still fight the most important was agaisnt terrorism and going about it at a slow pace because of the lack of ground troops (to bad aircraft can't control land and house to house search) if the U.S. was serious about fighting terroism they would have the draft back already to put an end to the bs.

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Croaker8989 Chinese deeds 12/29/2004 3:19:06 AM

well not to much really rebuilt a shaddered nation and continued to grow at a good pace they may not have invaded anything but north korea and tiawan arn't safe forever.

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gf0012-aust Rommel - Patton 12/29/2004 3:19:45 AM

"Patton kicked his butt" errr, no he didn't. Patton was really excited until he found out that Rommel was in Germany with an ear infection. You ought to know that Patton studied Rommel, and didn't become an advocate of armour until well into his career.

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Croaker8989 studing rommel 12/29/2004 3:28:59 AM

everyone studies rommel he was the best and he was a good man. Although i disagree with his infantry tactics i really agree with his armour and calvary tactics. He was even study closly by the allies and they used his tactics for much of the war.

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elcid RE:Who is Erwin Rommel??? 12/29/2004 7:23:10 AM

The General Yamaa of WWII Germany. A great captain respected even by his enemies.

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elcid RE:Who is Erwin Rommel??? 12/29/2004 7:30:45 AM

If we could go back 64 years we could say PLA kicked a US army away from the border of Industrial Manchuria, many offshore islands (including Hainan) in amphib ops, and annexed Tibet. Limited to 50 years, it took parts of India and Vietnam, defeated one Vietnamese invasion, and crushed a rebellion that was national in scope (though you only hear about the Beijing part). It also has significantly reformed and modernized its military forces, and built up base infrastructures over a vast area, from Pakistan to Burma to the South China Sea.

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BLUEMOON RE:Patton sends his regards. 12/29/2004 7:31:08 AM

I love readign about how Rommel would have done better if he had more weapons and so on! The Germans had the worlds best military ( just ask the Sherman tank about the Panther or Tiger ), not to mention jets, V-1 rockets, V-2 rockets and on and on. Yet, those scruffy Americans and Russians defeated them.Do you know why Russia won on their side ? Lend lease and lots of American port calls..

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elcid RE:Rommel - Patton 12/29/2004 7:33:48 AM

In The Patton Papers (a collection of letters, essays, and other things) there is an analysis arguing that a man plus a horse is LESS vulnerable charging a machine gun over open ground than a man alone is. Patton tried to advocate the horse cavalray until quite late.

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elcid RE:Patton sends his regards. 12/29/2004 7:36:30 AM

Bluemoon - you need to go find a realy WWII military historian. RUSSIA won the war MORE than the USA did. All the foreign aid amounted to less than 10% of Russia's gear, often not its best. Russia outproduced Germany in critical things like tanks by staggering numbers. And Germany always put about 2/3 of its forces against the Russians - because if it did not the Red Army would have won much faster. It does not look like Germany ever had much of a chance, even if it fought Russia alone.

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fall out RE:Patton sends his regards. 12/29/2004 7:55:18 AM

"Bluemoon - you need to go find a realy WWII military historian. RUSSIA won the war MORE than the USA did. All the foreign aid amounted to less than 10% of Russia's gear, often not its best. Russia outproduced Germany in critical things like tanks by staggering numbers. And Germany always put about 2/3 of its forces against the Russians - because if it did not the Red Army would have won much faster. It does not look like Germany ever had much of a chance, even if it fought Russia alone " - For starters, Germany never got on a full war footing until 1944, and when that occured, despite continuous allied bombing, Germany was outproducing Russia in numerous areas, such as Tanks and Arty's, despite having to share those resources around more due to a stronger emphasis on naval power. Germany got to within looking distance to the domes of the Kremlin in 1941, and the reason why they were stopped was because of one man, Hitler, he diverted much resources of Army Group Centre (the one going for Moscow) to the South and North, he also started the war later (on june 22nd which btw was when napolean invaded Russia, talk about a bad omen!!), the original date was for early may, not late june, those extra few weeks and a better and stronger emphasis on taking Moscow would have meant Moscow would have fallen thus taking out the Centre of a Centralised Country, and come Dec 7th Hitler stood a good chance at some sanity to not declaring war on the US due to the vulnerability of the USSR (he originally declared war on the US, the only country he did so, to try to entice Japan to attack Russia). 1941 IMHO was humanities most vulnerable year in history, the Japanese were bad enough to make any of the world's worst criminals seem like a 15yr old female ballet dancer, let alone the Nazis! Romell, if supplies properly would have annihilated Patton, Monty, any allied general, simple, in Operation BattleAxe for example, Monty built up his forces to an extent that he outnumbered the Germans 3 or 4 to 1, yet after the opening few days, Romell blunted the offensive, and counter attacked and knocked out more than 80% of the allied armour!! yet because of his lack of numbers and supplies he couldn't keep pressing.

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BLUEMOON RE:Patton sends his regards - you guys need to hit the books. 12/29/2004 8:26:13 AM

It's a fact that American AID saved Russias butt. Maybe both of you should read up on the letters from Joseph Stalin to FDR. Go on and look it up ! I got all day to laugh. And yet again I read that if only Rommel a bigger army or better tanks he could have won ? Well did'nt he have all of that crap when he invaded France or North Africa ? Unlike Patton who did'nt have 15 tries at bat, Rommel was a complete failure. If Patton could pull it off with cheaper stuff, why could'nt the great Rommel with his better tanks and so on ? By the way, why did hundreds of thousands of soldiers from England land on Normandy on one of the worst rainy days at sea ? If Germany was so great how come Hitler could'nt take on England in the skies ? Bottom line : American and it's allies won, and no X-BOX game in which everybody plays the Germans can take that one simple fact away : EVER.

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Croaker8989 RE:Patton sends his regards. 12/29/2004 8:27:24 AM

Also rommel at first only had a few of the panzer IV most of his forces were the older panzer III which still packed a decent but a much shorter ranged attack. So the allies even though had over all worse armour the numbers made up for it. Also the movement into Russia was a mistake many men died from lack of supplies and freezing it was to costly when the forces could have been put to the north african campain to put an end to the allies there easily.

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FJV RE:Patton sends his regards. 12/29/2004 1:11:02 PM

"Romell, if supplies properly would have annihilated Patton, Monty, any allied general, simple, in Operation BattleAxe for example, Monty built up his forces to an extent that he outnumbered the Germans 3 or 4 to 1, yet after the opening few days, Romell blunted the offensive, and counter attacked and knocked out more than 80% of the allied armour!! yet because of his lack of numbers and supplies he couldn't keep pressing." From what I've read was that Rommel was weak in the logistics part of strategy which was what caused him to be under supplied in the first place. He also didn't stick his mission orders which were limited. I've also read one book that made the case that if Churchill didn't replace Auchinleck by Montgomery, Rommel could have been defeated earlier. From: Humble, Richard: Famous Land Battles from Medieval to Modern Times London: Artus, 1979 "But when Winston Churchill claimed that "before Alamein we never had a victory. Ater Alamein we never had a defeat", he should have known better. The British forces in North Africa had won several victories there: and if Churchill himself had been less keen to sack any general that dipleased him, he could have had his victory at Alamein a lot earlier than he did. The real victor over Field-Marshal Rommel at Alamein was not Montgomery, the lucky man who had the job of adminitering the coup de grace with doble Rommel's rescources and the comfortable knowledge that an Allied invasion was due to go in behind Rommel's back. It was the man who, three-and-a-half months before, picked up the pieces of a broken and demoralized army to fight Rommel to a standstill at Alamein and force him on the defensive: General Sir Claude Auchinleck." PS This links to a free downloadable biography of Rommel (pdf format) link I don't about the quality of it though, because I haven't found the time to read it.

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