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Subject: Pakistani
Ike    11/19/2001 1:50:09 PM
A quick question, Are there any Pakistanis who would rather let India keep Kashmir? I ask this because one of the Engineers at work is from Karachi. When I asked him one day about Kashmir I was surprised by his answer. He said Pakistan should have just left Kashmir alone, he said trying to get control is causing more problems than its worth. He also said back home he would be called a traitor for this opinion.
Are there Pakistanis openly saying this? or are they afraid of being labeled traitors?
 
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Ike    RE:Pakistani    11/19/2001 3:04:42 PM
Yeah, actually i agree. Infact back home I would be called a tratiot too. But thats because I want a united India, beautful diverse and powerful. I'm from Karachi too. We are kinda diffrent from the rest of the country... its not a matter of race, i am a pustun, Karachites are the most educated. But we cant say this back home. And quite frankly I think now that we are involved, and since we ahve the moral high ground, we should try to get Kashimir. But I also belive that peace with India is very important. India is probally the next world power with china. If we are close to india (we are already buddies with china) we would surely gain a lot. Besides... if you want to ask me for a solution for the pakistan india problem. UNIFICATION UNDER A UNION WITH BOTH STATES HAVING SOME SOVERNIGTY. Ofcourse this would require that the status of Kashmir be resoloved. Infact if i was the Dictator of Pakistan , i would offer unifaction (assuming we get Kashmir). But ofcourse India right now is ruled buy the HINDU FANATICS the BJP, who would not want anything to do with muslims who are "untouchables" in their caste system.
 
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Ike    RE:Pakistani    11/19/2001 3:10:59 PM
Thanks for the reply, but I think you accidently signed my name to it.
 
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Peanut Gallery    RE:Kashmir Independence    11/19/2001 3:34:56 PM
For Pakistani (or anyone else); Is an independent Kashmir that simple. I don't know the exact demographics, but wouldn't the minority Hindus (or fill in the blank), want sponsorship or protection from India ? One analogy is Northern Ireland. Even independence wouldn't work there. The Catholics are already a minority and an independent Protestant Northern Irealand would feel threatened by the Irish Republic. In other words, even independence means some group is giving up influence. PG
 
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pakistani    To ike   11/19/2001 8:37:37 PM
Yeah i know i signed the wrong name... sorry :)
 
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pakistani    RE:Kashmir Independence    11/19/2001 8:38:49 PM
Your right but since both groups would need protection a UN peacekeeping force would be in order.
 
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bigtexan    RE:Pakistani    11/26/2001 7:54:46 PM
Ike, If I understand it right, India is truly a secular state where the population of Muslims has grown from 8 or so percent to 13 or so percent since they separated, whereas Pakistan and Bangladesh have been cleansing non Muslims. Is that the case? Seems that those Indians have the largest democracy like ours.
 
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David_Blue2002@yahoo.com.au    Being a non-Muslim under Islamic rule   11/26/2001 11:10:06 PM
bigtexan said: Ike, If I understand it right ... Pakistan and Bangladesh have been cleansing non Muslims. Is that the case? ... -- I'm not Ike, but anyway ... :) The following information is from a Christian point of view and unfriendly to Islam, however it is properly documented and looks fully credible to me. link link Read for yourself, pursue further sources from other viewpoints, and make up your own mind. Personally I would not like to live under that kind of rule. The article "The Process of Islamization in Egypt" gives a good look at how the system works in the long run: with ups and downs, good times and bad, like any normal human process.
 
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bsl    RE:Pakistani    11/27/2001 12:14:27 AM
India is more than 80% Hindu and that influences politics. The religious aspect was, traditionally, somewhat limited. There is a strong, explicitly Hindu oriented political movement active right now which is influential on the level of the national government. Politics are much less religiously oriented than in Pakistan, though, or most of the Islamic world.
 
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CheZhang@aol.com    RE:Kashmir Independence    6/7/2002 7:21:06 PM
"Your right..."? Your what is right?
 
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G3A3 7.62mm    RE:Kashmir Independence    10/3/2005 12:19:59 AM
Kashmir is a part of pakistan and we will not let it go without a fight.
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Pakistani    1/26/2006 11:08:51 AM
Pakistani: All Muslims arent technically "untouchables". The foreign ones are just that, foreign Muslims - not subject to caste laws at all. Others are usually associated with the caste they had in Hinduism before they converted - by both Hindus and Muslims. But do keep in mind "caste" is outlawed in India, and the ban carried out seriously in most cities and towns. Villages are a different matter; but you as likely to find Muslim "untouchables" in Pakistan as in India.... only problem is that since Islam doesnt recognize ground realities, there are no laws to end that practise. bigtexan: The Hindu/Sikh population of Pakistan at time of Partition was 8%. Now its closer to 0.2%. The Muslim population at time of Partition in India was around 14%, and today about 16%. All concerned: UN Peacekeeping is largely composed of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi troops - all have a vested interest in being partial to their groups. Besides Hindus and Buddhists live in high-altitude climates, no UN Peacekeeping force is prepared nor able to prepare for such a deployment in sufficent numbers.
 
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eggfooyoung    RE:Pakistani    4/2/2006 10:33:49 PM
regarding kashmir: 1.kashmir cannot be solved by a fight.it can be solved only when the true intrests of kashmiris are honoured and they are given the right to choose who they secede to.given todays socio-economic scenario and politics,no kashmiri in his right mind would go with pakistan.india is the choice by default. 2.UN troops in kashmir:although india beleives in the credibility of the UN,make no mistake..its only in principle.indian generals would never allow UN troops to step in kashmir and UN troops from bangla and pak-u must be kidding.they'll become target practice of every sikh and hindu there.its just not a practical idea and india is way beyond the reach of these two banana islamic states to alllow their troops to be deployed even under UN umbrella. 3.pakistan's blunder,india steals thunder:pakistan's aim in not letting the k-dispute resolve was based on the assumption that it would "bleed"india and would show pakistan in an equal light strategically.indian patience pays off:chanakyans avoid major disputes and refuse to play into the hands of shortsighted mullahs.result:pakistan is reduced to a failed frontline state and kashmir eventually will end up in indian hands. thank you.
 
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TopGun    Pakistan & Afghanistan Confederation   9/8/2006 1:59:37 PM

Yeah, actually i agree. Infact back home I would be called a tratiot too. But thats because I want a united India, beautful diverse and powerful.

I'm from Karachi too. We are kinda diffrent from the rest of the country... its not a matter of race, i am a pustun, Karachites are the most educated.

But we cant say this back home. And quite frankly I think now that we are involved, and since we ahve the moral high ground, we should try to get Kashimir. But I also belive that peace with India is very important.

India is probally the next world power with china. If we are close to india (we are already buddies with china) we would surely gain a lot.

Besides... if you want to ask me for a solution for the pakistan india problem. UNIFICATION UNDER A UNION WITH BOTH STATES HAVING SOME SOVERNIGTY.

Ofcourse this would require that the status of Kashmir be resoloved. Infact if i was the Dictator of Pakistan , i would offer unifaction (assuming we get Kashmir).
Hahaha this is sooo funny.  So now we have Indians prancing around, pretending to be Pakistanis and answering for them.  How pathetic.  and this one claims to be pushtun!  in your dreams, you know your a cow lover you indian terrorist. hahah  this is soo lame and pathetic.  A country with a billion people and its huge military advantage gets screwed over by a smaller Pakistan !! your soo pathetic that u even have degrade yourself and come on the net to post this nonsense because your pitiful and shameless.  This site is turning into a farce.  No Pakistani ever wants Unification with india with all its inherent problems, corruption, congestion and in born terrorism and degraded social problems.  Pakistan despite its failings is in a higher developmental and social index than india.  Indian need to get a life and mind their own business.  They should unite with Bangladesh their true countrymen.  I mean even Sri Lankans hate indians.  If pakistan is going to unify or have a confederation its going to be with Afghanistan the real source of strenght in the region.  In fact, the two countries territory share a common history and where in effect created by Abdali when he first formed the country 'Afghanistan'.  A country which included modern day Afghanistan and the Pakistani provinces of Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan and Kashmir.
 
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olive greens       9/9/2006 2:43:08 PM

Guess the "TopNut" never heard of Abdul Gaffar Khan and the "Red Pathans" who fought for India's freedom and unity, but were brutally suppressed by the successive Pakistani regimes still faithful to their non-existent masters! Or of how many descendants of Pashtun people decided to "vote with their feet" in joining the Indian Union by not jumping into the trash-pile next-door! All the more surprising that he doesnt even know of Shah Rukh Khan as ethnic Pashtun and an Indian (whose movies are followed by billions of Indian, Paks, Malays, Arabs and East Africans), or Ifran Pathan who made his cricketing debut in an Indo-Pak match!

 
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