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Subject: German Limits on Afghan War Are Facing Reality, October 26, 2009
Nasty German Idiot     10/27/2009 9:22:11 AM
XXXttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/world/27germany.html?_r=2&hp German Limits on Afghan War Are Facing Reality * Sign in to Recommend * Twitter * comments (26) * Sign In to E-Mail * Print * Reprints * ShareClose o Linkedin o Digg o Facebook o Mixx o MySpace o Yahoo! Buzz o Permalink o Article Tools Sponsored By By NICHOLAS KULISH Published: October 26, 2009 KUNDUZ, Afghanistan ? Forced to confront the rising insurgency in once peaceful northern Afghanistan, the German Army is engaged in sustained and bloody ground combat for the first time since World War II. Soldiers near the northern city of Kunduz have had to strike back against an increasingly fierce campaign by Taliban insurgents, while carrying the burden of being among the first units to break the German taboo against military combat abroad that arose after the Nazi era. At issue are how long opposition in Germany will allow its troops to stay and fight, and whether they will be given leeway from their strict rules of engagement to pursue the kind of counterinsurgency being advocated by American generals. The question now is whether the Americans will ultimately fight one kind of war and their allies another. For Germans, the realization that their soldiers are now engaged in ground offensives in an open-ended and escalating war requires a fundamental reconsideration of their principles. After World War II, German society rejected using military power for anything other than self-defense, and pacifism has been a rallying cry for generations, blocking allied requests for any military support beyond humanitarian assistance. German leaders have chipped away at the proscriptions in recent years, in particular by participating in airstrikes in the Kosovo war. Still, the legacy of the combat ban remains in the form of strict engagement rules and an ingrained shoot-last mentality that is causing significant tensions with the United States in Afghanistan. Driven by necessity, some of the 4,250 German soldiers here, the third-largest number of troops in the NATO contingent, have already come a long way. Last Tuesday, they handed out blankets, volleyballs and flashlights as a goodwill gesture to residents of the village of Yanghareq, about 22 miles northwest of Kunduz. Barely an hour later, insurgents with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades ambushed other members of the same company. The Germans fought back, killing one of the attackers, before the dust and disorder made it impossible to tell fleeing Taliban from civilians. ?They shoot at us and we shoot back,? said Staff Sgt. Erik S., who, according to German military rules, could not be fully identified. ?People are going to fall on both sides. It?s as simple as that. It?s war.? The sergeant added, ?The word ?war? is growing louder in society, and the politicians can?t keep it secret anymore.? Indeed, German politicians have refused to utter the word, trying instead to portray the mission in Afghanistan as a mix of peacekeeping and reconstruction in support of the Afghan government. But their line has grown less tenable as the insurgency has expanded rapidly in the west and north of the country, where Germany leads the regional command and provides a majority of the troops. The Germans may not have gone to war, but now the war has come to them. In part, NATO and German officials say, that is evidence of the political astuteness of Taliban and Qaeda leaders, who are aware of the opposition in Germany to the war. They hope to exploit it and force the withdrawal of German soldiers ? splintering the NATO alliance in the process ? through attacks on German personnel in Afghanistan and through video and audio threats of terrorist attacks on the home front before the German elections last month. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the senior American and allied commander in Afghanistan, is pressing NATO allies to contribute more troops to the war effort, even as countries like the Netherlands and Canada have begun discussing plans to pull out. Germany has held out against pleas for additional troops so far. Ties between Germany and the United States were strained last month over a German-ordered bombing of two hijacked tanker trucks, which killed civilians as well as Taliban. Many Germans, from top politicians down to enlisted men, thought that General McChrystal was too swift to condemn the strike before a complete investigation. Germany?s combat troops are caught in the middle. In interviews last week, soldiers from the Third Company, Mechanized Infantry Battalion 391, said they were understaffed for the increasingly complex mission here. Two men from the company were killed in June, among 36 German soldiers who have died in the Afghan war. The soldiers expressed frustration over the second-guessing of the airstrike not only by allies, but als
 
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Nasty German Idiot       10/27/2009 9:29:11 AM
Something has gone wrong with copy and paste ...  sorry for that, in case just follow the link.
 
article pics:


 
 
A German soldier burned a flare in the desert while on patrol in Afghanistan's Kunduz Province, where the insurgency is growing.
Photo: Moises Saman for The New York Times
 
 
 
German troops visited an Afghan National Police outpost in northern Afghanistan. With 4,250 soldiers, the Germans have the third-largest number of troops in the NATO contingent.
 

 German soldiers mapped an area before setting a temporary camp near the northern city of Kunduz.
 
 
The troops stationed in Kunduz have had to strike back against an increasingly fierce campaign by Taliban insurgents, while carrying the burden of being among the first units to break the German taboo against military combat abroad that arose after the Nazi era.
 
 
 After World War II, German society completely rejected using military power for anything other than self-defense, and pacifism has been a rallying cry for generations, blocking allied requests for any military support beyond humanitarian assistance.
 
 
My comment:
 
-  a quite on point article
-  prediction:  The new government will decide in December  (next mandate review in Parliament) that the Troop limit will be increased to 6000 - 8000 soldiers.  *crosses fingers* 
 
 
 
 
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