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Subject: Name of Shahjahan's wife
Chief    1/28/2002 6:32:46 PM
Name of king Shahjahan's wife was "Mumtaz"
 
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Jay    Resounding theme in muslim history-failure due to Islam   1/28/2002 7:23:27 PM
I would like to think, and do believe that no race of people is limited in intelligence or civilization building ability because of genetics. I think what is holding back the arab world is islam, and the fear of it. Every ruler in that world seems to either be a nutcase religious hack or if not they still run their country around the fear of the fundamentalists. Seems to me like the people who invented math forgot how to use it while dancing around the moon god and declaring jihad on anybody who wiped their butt with the wrong hand. Just my opinion anyway.
 
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spike    RE:Resounding theme in muslim history-failure due to Islam   1/28/2002 7:34:20 PM
besides the obvious external physical differences between the races, it is a medical fact there are internal genetic differences. For examples, asians, indians (america), and eskimos lack the enzyme that metabolizes alcohol. Thus, their genetic susceptibility to alcoholism further harmed by culture and lack of job opportunities in the indian (america) case. Blacks have a genetic susceptibility to sickle cell anemia developed through natural selection as a defense against malaria. These are only a few of many examples. It is thus indisputible that there are internal differences between the races. Besides the painfully obvious differences in test scores ('racist' tests, blah, blah), it is ludicrous to believe there are not differences in brain functions. In fact, just as MRI's have shown a distinct difference in brain activities between men and women, so too have MRI's shown a distinct difference in brain activities among members of different races. Ignoring observations, test scores, and MRI's among other methods of deduction and evaluation is like ignoring your thumb on each hand. Just because you have been told different does not mean it is so. Once again, for the record, I don't hate blacks although I am not very partial to arabs right now and mistrust everyone that I see. We have to now and for the forseeable future. Their lesser intelligence does not make either group bad.
 
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Jeff from Michigan    To Spike: genetic differences don't mean differences in intelligence   1/29/2002 9:13:00 PM
Spike, I am not going to get into a prolonged discussion thread about intelligence because this is not the proper forum. Suffice it to say that there are genetic differences but there has never been a documented correlation between a "race" and intelligence. If you have one I'd like to see it. Here are a few questions or points that I would make. First off what is "race"? It isn't skin color, language, alcohol absorbsion ability (I seen plenty of drunk anglo students on campus. AA is filled with anglo men who can't handle a drink.) or height. So what if there is MRI differences. The brain has a genetic hardwire that is repeated stimulated by it's environment. Reading a book vs not being literate trains different parts of the mind. Put me in the middle of the jungle of Papua and my actions would be pretty stupid compared to a native. Is he more intelligent than me? You are making a classic mistake like Lamarck (the French scientist who stated that species changed their physical charateristics over time. The classic example being the giraffe stretching it's neck and passing it on to it's offspring.) by making empirical observations now and extrapolating them into the future. This is what Thomas Sowell demonstrated with cold hard facts. Throughout American history the contemporary press talked about certain groups as being substandard. The drunken stupid Paddy, no Irish need apply, the scheming Jew, the wetback spic, the crooked wop, idiot Pollack etc etc etc. Funny how they all seem to be mainstreamed and not regarded as inferior? The Chinese empire, the Egyptian empire(s), the Arab empire, the Mongol empire, the Russian empire, the Roman empire and so on are more examples. All rose to great heights, bestrode their known world, and all fell to "inferior" people at some point in history. So there are physiological differences but none that determine intelligence. So lets close with your quote. "Ignoring observations, test scores, and MRI's among other methods of deduction and evaluation is like ignoring your thumb on each hand. Just because you have been told different does not mean it is so." Don't ignore the historical record for a current empirical observations cloaked in scientfic jargon.
 
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Jay    RE:To Spike: genetic differences don't mean differences in intelligence   1/29/2002 9:50:37 PM
I just want to add in here, and I don't want to make this a "gang up on Spike" day, but Spike you shouldn't assume those of us who deny racial inferiority theories may be doing it just because we've always "been told so". I personally can disagre by speaking from my own 38 years or so of life's experience dealing with all races and nationalities of people. And I can just about assure you that all races produce both geniuses and degenerates. Imagine a young normal black child growing up in the most inbred part of Appalachia. By the time he was 10 he'd be swearing all white people are ignorant, scary, and have something wrong with them. Unless of course, someone taught him differently, as hopefully someone would.
 
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spike    RE:To Spike: genetic differences don't mean differences in intelligence   1/30/2002 5:21:15 AM
haha I will be laughing at you all day. No time to respond now, but after research (some call it a work day) I will respond tonight.
 
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spike    RE:To Spike: genetic differences don't mean differences in intelligence   1/30/2002 5:23:55 AM
I absolutely agree with you. We have a young internist here who is absolutenly brilliant. The best known neurosurgeon in the U.S. is black. There are some blacks and some arabs who are smarter than whites. Europeans are smarter as a group than blacks or arabs. Indians (from India), Jews, and Asians are generally smarter than whites although again, possibly due to the value (cultural) their societies place on education.
 
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CP to Jay    RE:Resounding theme in muslim history-failure due to Islam   1/30/2002 1:49:51 PM
The resounding theme in Muslim history has been the call of Islam itself, as dictated by the Koran: Kill the kafirs.
 
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Ye is a Fat Farkie    RE:Resounding theme in muslim history-failure due to Islam   1/31/2002 1:01:04 AM
CP is from South Africa all. Proably an Afrikanner
 
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CP    (no subject)   1/31/2002 2:43:52 AM
I'm curious why you think I'm from South Africa? I'm right here in St. Louis, MO, USA. You could have asked me. GO RAMS!
 
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