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Subject: Super Tucano Flocks To Mali
SYSOP    7/6/2015 5:16:50 AM
 
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desertrat    USAF Trainer   7/6/2015 8:47:56 AM
I didn't know that the USAF used the Super Tucano as its primary trainer.  Isn't the T-6 a much modified version of the Pilatus PC-9 rather than of the A-29?
 
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JFKY    Uh, I don't think so....   7/6/2015 9:27:11 AM
True it's only from Wikipedia, but I can't see that the USAF uses the Super Tucano for Primary Training. The Super Tucano was selected as a COIN A/c FOR THE AFGHAN AIR FORCE, & yes the TRAINING was to occur in the US, but the US Air Force doesn't use the Tucano as a trainer! At least not by my cursory study. Someone please advise.
 
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JFKY    Desertrat....   7/6/2015 10:09:45 AM
you are CORRECT....the AT-6 Texan II is a version of the Pilatus PC-9......according to Wiki.
 
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Daryus    One of the few...   7/6/2015 11:16:35 AM
...remaining world-class industrial products of Brazil, surviving in the international market. 
 
 
Glad that EMBRAER was privatized in the 90's. Had it not been this way, it would be today no more than a failed government enterprise, like PETROBRAS. 
 
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Daryus    Talking about that...   7/6/2015 2:26:33 PM
...subject, I wonder how survivable are these turboprop COIN platforms in a MANPADS-rich environment? I know for sure that piston-engine aircraft like the A-1 Skyraider aren't, but what about the Super Tucano, AT-6 and the like?
...And in air-to-air combat? I've read many times that if the argentinians had their Pucaras armed with IR missiles in the '82 War, it would have made a difference against the Harriers. What you think about?
 
 
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JFKY    Turboprop   7/6/2015 3:05:43 PM
Depends on the counter-measures, doesn't it? As it relates to ManPADS & survivability, well really the counter-measures & the ManPADS. The SA-7 was a threat when introduced in Vietnam, but nowadays easily decoyed & not particularly lethal....others might be different. As to Tucano's v. Harriers.....if the Argentines had had better A2A missiles they'd have done better, BUT If a Frog Had Wings; He Wouldn't Bump His @rse, either. They didn't have better AIM-9's. And if they had had better AIM-9's they'd have been better mounted on the Daggers or the A-4's, or even the Mirages, rather than the Tucano's.
 
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Daryus    Been more specific, for...   7/6/2015 3:30:25 PM
...MANPADS I mean current generation Stinger and Verba. Very deadly, and I don't know if current countermeasures can mess with their guidance system, short of a hard-kill against them.   
 
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Daryus    Been more specific, for...   7/6/2015 3:43:17 PM
...MANPADS I mean current generation Stinger and Verba. Very deadly, and I don't know if current countermeasures can mess with their guidance system, short of a hard-kill against them.   
 
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Yimmy       7/6/2015 6:32:19 PM
I think it's a given that MANPADS are a serious threat to any aircraft type which is operating within their engaement range- Be it an F22 or an AN2.  That is why the theat was taken so seriously in Afghanistan et al, where even rumours of HMGs and Blowpipe were taken seriously. 
 
The Argentinian Pucaras were low flying CAS aircraft straffing infantry and dropping napalm etc.  They would not have been suitable for air-air missions against Harriers.  I think the Argentinians only had 12 air superiority fighters - the Mirage IIIs.  Once some had been shot down they didn't want to risk the others.  The Daggers and A4s didn't have an air-intercept radar I don't think. 
 
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