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Subject: USAF Reveals 30-Year Plan: Replacement for F-22 to start development in 2020
Phaid    2/15/2010 4:53:17 PM
The US Air Force (USAF) has revealed a raft of fighter, strike, transport, special mission and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) development programmes in a 30-year plan released in February. The proposals were included within the US Department of Defense's (DoD's) Aircraft Investment Plan covering the period between FY11-FY40 that it submitted for the first time in February as part of the FY11 budget request. Under the plan, USAF expects to allocate funding to initiate the development of replacements for both the Lockheed Martin F-22 multirole fighter and C-5 Galaxy strategic transport aircraft by Fiscal Year (FY) 2020. http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw100215_1_n.shtml
 
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Phaid       2/15/2010 4:54:18 PM
 
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Phaid       2/15/2010 5:06:11 PM
And for completeness, here is the actual Aircraft Investment Plan document.
 
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Rufus       2/16/2010 1:07:43 AM
Good, maybe the fanboys will now be satisfied that the US won't be forced to fight the hordes of PAK-FA fighters with "only" 187 F-22s and we can stop hearing about it.
 

 
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Hamilcar       2/16/2010 1:20:24 AM

Good, maybe the fanboys will now be satisfied that the US won't be forced to fight the hordes of PAK-FA fighters with "only" 187 F-22s and we can stop hearing about it.

 





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warpig       2/16/2010 5:08:16 AM

Good, maybe the fanboys will now be satisfied that the US won't be forced to fight the hordes of PAK-FA fighters with "only" 187 F-22s and we can stop hearing about it.

 






 
You forgot to put "hordes" in quotes.  :-)
 
 
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mabie       2/16/2010 7:52:50 PM
So by 2020 they start funding a F-22 replacement and by 2040 a 6thGen replacement starts entering the inventory. The F-22 will be pretty long in the tooth by then. With 187 airframes to carry the load, you'd expect significant wear and tear of the Raptor fleet.
 
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Rufus       2/17/2010 1:31:41 AM
Yep, they will be old by then... that is why they will be scheduled to be replaced. 
 
Considering the last F-22's are still coming off the production line the  youngest will be ~30 years old when their replacement arrives.  (which is reasonable)

As far as wear and tear on 187 planes... there aren't a whole whole lot of air superiority missions out there right now, especially not ones that require an F-22.(which is why the US is buying so few)  F-22's aren't flying thousands of combat hours over Iraq and Afghanistan supporting the wars like the US's multi-role aircraft.  They will still wear out eventually, but as of right now it is hard to imagine a scenario that would wear them out far ahead of schedule.
 
(Something like the Iraqi no-fly zones from the 1990's would be an example of something that might come up but again, but that mission didn't require F-22s.  4th generation aircraft or F-35s would be more than sufficient.)
 

 
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Phaid       2/17/2010 8:45:46 AM
As far as wear and tear on 187 planes... there aren't a whole whole lot of air superiority missions out there right now, especially not ones that require an F-22.(which is why the US is buying so few)  F-22's aren't flying thousands of combat hours over Iraq and Afghanistan supporting the wars like the US's multi-role aircraft.  They will still wear out eventually, but as of right now it is hard to imagine a scenario that would wear them out far ahead of schedule.
 
Tell that to the Air National Guard being tasked to fly Noble Eagle missions.
 
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Nichevo       2/17/2010 2:51:47 PM
In particular I would think that supercruise is a great enabler for CAP.
 
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sentinel28a       2/17/2010 3:17:37 PM
All that is seriously awesome, but what's the USAF planning as a replacement for the F-15?  You know, the aircraft that we already have that's over 30 years old.
 
This is well and good that they're getting a headstart on the F-22's replacement, but I'm more interested in what we're replacing the tired, worn-out aircraft we have now.  The F-22 was supposed to replace the F-15, but it's cut to the bone because the Democrats have never liked anything that will actually benefit the military.  (Preemptive on this: the F-22 wasn't in great shape coming into Obama's administration, but I notice it wasn't until Obama was in office that the F-22 got axed.  Coincidence? I think not.) 
 
The F-35 may be the bee's knees, but it can't do everything, and it can't get here fast enough.  And the talk of "we won't need an air superiority fighter anytime soon" strikes me as being the same kind of talk like "The Japanese will never master carrier aviation" and "al-Qaeda could never really hit the US"...
 
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