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Subject: F-22 pulled from Paris Airshow
DarthAmerica    6/16/2009 10:36:39 PM
PARIS (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force has pulled its premiere F-22 fighter jet from the Paris Air Show, citing other demands on its time, said a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Corp, which builds the Raptor. Spokesman Christopher Trippick said on Monday that the F-22 also would not make an appearance at the Royal International Air Tattoo, the world's largest military air show, to be held next month in Britain. The F-22 made its first international air show appearance at the Farnborough Air Show last year, a 12-minute flight that generated a great deal of buzz. It also flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo. Trippick said the Air Force decision was based on availability, but had no further information. But European industry executives said there might have been concerns over whether the stealth plane would be exposed to radar trying to unlock its secrets. Lockheed's F-117 stealth fighter made an appearance at the 1991 Paris Air Show, but two years later, the Clinton administration boycotted the appearance of any U.S. military aircraft at the show. One industry executive, who asked not to be named, said the French government had reportedly used its ultra low-frequency, long-range radar to track the aircraft on its approach to the airfield, sparking concerns among U.S. officials. The Obama administration said in April that it would only order four more of the radar-evading fighters, capping production at 187 planes. Some U.S. lawmakers are pushing to repeal a law banning exports of the aircraft to keep the production line running a little longer. But Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz last week said F-22 exports also faced other significant obstacles, including the cost to protect or remove classified equipment from the aircraft, and a likely break in production before any exports could be approved, which would raise the cost. Industry executives said the U.S. government may have decided it would be imprudent to bring the fighter to the air show, since the export ban is still in effect and especially since Defense Secretary Robert Gates has told close U.S. allies like Japan that it is not for sale. (Reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa with additional reporting by Tim Hepher in Paris; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn and Maureen Bavdek)
 
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Bluewings12       6/16/2009 10:57:03 PM
""One industry executive, who asked not to be named, said the French government had reportedly used its ultra low-frequency, long-range radar to track the aircraft on its approach to the airfield, sparking concerns among U.S. officials.""
 
Most probably true . But everybody does it anyway , Allies or Foes ... 
But we might do it better than others ;-)
 
Cheers .
 
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usajoe1       6/16/2009 11:44:57 PM
Most probably true . But everybody does it anyway , Allies or Foes ... 
But we might do it better than others ;-)
There you go again, right on que. "We might do it better than others"LOL you never seize to amaze me, kepp it up this is amuzing. I wonder what kind of BS you would be posting if the French were on par with the US or ahead in military tech.
 
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Herald12345    Further information.   6/17/2009 12:26:02 AM

""One industry executive, who asked not to be named, said the French government had reportedly used its ultra low-frequency, long-range radar to track the aircraft on its approach to the airfield, sparking concerns among U.S. officials.""

 

Most probably true . But everybody does it anyway , Allies or Foes ... 

But we might do it better than others ;-)


 

Cheers .

Apparently tried and failed. For once US countermeasures seem to have lived up to the hype.
 
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mustang22       6/17/2009 9:53:43 AM
PARIS (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force has pulled its premiere F-22 fighter jet from the Paris Air Show, citing other demands on its time, said a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Corp, which builds the Raptor.

Spokesman Christopher Trippick said on Monday that the F-22 also would not make an appearance at the Royal International Air Tattoo, the world's largest military air show, to be held next month in Britain.

The F-22 made its first international air show appearance at the Farnborough Air Show last year, a 12-minute flight that generated a great deal of buzz. It also flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo.

Trippick said the Air Force decision was based on availability, but had no further information.
 
 
Wow, we don't even have enough of them to make an appearance at an airshow. LOL. Darth you had to know that was coming, especially from me.
 
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DarthAmerica       6/17/2009 10:16:44 AM

PARIS (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force has pulled its premiere F-22 fighter jet from the Paris Air Show, citing other demands on its time, said a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Corp, which builds the Raptor.

Spokesman Christopher Trippick said on Monday that the F-22 also would not make an appearance at the Royal International Air Tattoo, the world's largest military air show, to be held next month in Britain.

The F-22 made its first international air show appearance at the Farnborough Air Show last year, a 12-minute flight that generated a great deal of buzz. It also flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo.

Trippick said the Air Force decision was based on availability, but had no further information.

Wow, we don't even have enough of them to make an appearance at an airshow. LOL. Darth you had to know that was coming, especially from me.



Yes, I figured but I know you don't believe that it has to do with total numbers since even if they were going to build 1000 this date is still before the 187 total is finished. At this point if the USAF was really claiming "availability" as the reason, then that would suggest poor readiness. However, as the story suggest, the USAF is most likely just keeping the French from collecting intelligence on the RCS characteristics. Remember, stealth is not just low RCS, its tactics as well. Knowing the precise arrival time of the F-22 would allow the French to set up surveillance. Remember, stealth aircraft aren't invisible, just harder to detect. Knowing the exact flight plan simplifies the problem.(I HOPE ALL PEOPLE WHO WONDER HOW THE F-117 GOT SHOT DOWN ARE PAYING ATTENTION) With this knowledge, the French can point a sensor at the F-22 and evaluate performance data from signals they will eventually get when the Raptor is close enough. That data could be useful in a number of ways
 the USAF is well advised to avoid.

-DA 
 
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Beazz       6/17/2009 11:26:09 AM

""One industry executive, who asked not to be named, said the French government had reportedly used its ultra low-frequency, long-range radar to track the aircraft on its approach to the airfield, sparking concerns among U.S. officials.""

 

Most probably true . But everybody does it anyway , Allies or Foes ... 

But we might do it better than others ;-)


 

Cheers .



BW,
The fact that France is such an open and blatant spy against a long standing friend and ally to the point your friend cannot even show a spectacular airplane to the citizens of your country is nothing to be proud of. It's pathetic is what is is. I'd be embarrased if I were French!
 
Beazz
 
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JFKY    As I understand it   6/17/2009 11:38:55 AM
The US will be sending an Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle in the F-22's place.
 
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warpig       6/17/2009 12:45:34 PM

The US will be sending an Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle in the F-22's place.


LOL!
 
I remember how USAF military and civilian attendees to the Paris Airshow were briefed that it is a certainty that everything left in their hotel rooms will be searched and their laptops downloaded while they are out attending the show.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       6/17/2009 5:21:41 PM
and I note that Dassault are still singing the same song.  My Paris AirShow briefings are still talking about a sale to the UAE - and still talking about India and Brazil.  At least they admit that its not a contender for 5th Generation requirements and that Japan and Sth Korea are non starters.  The only contenders are now publicly stated as those that want to have a split fleet (for domestic politics) or those that are not already US jet users.  (Edelstenne)
 
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Bluewings12       6/17/2009 9:36:24 PM
Beazz :
""BW,
The fact that France is such an open and blatant spy against a long standing friend and ally to the point your friend cannot even show a spectacular airplane to the citizens of your country is nothing to be proud of. It's pathetic is what is is. I'd be embarrased if I were French!""
 
Let me tell you a little true story Beazz : At the 2001 Red Flag , France sent 8 aircrafts : 4 M2000Ds and 4 M2000Cs .
The 2nd morning , the French maintenance team came to the M2000Cs 's bunker 2 hours earlier than previously planned for additional work . They found the bunker locked and an official with 2 MP guards told them to wait outside a moment for "Security reasons (?)" . When the official did let them pass , the French team discovered than some external panels and the tail fin jammer were badly screw-back , like if the job has been done in a hurry .
The French did protest and ask what was going on but in vain . Since that day , every French aircraft at Red Flag is guarded by French AirForce commandos 24/24 .
Talking about spying ...
Did the USA and the USAF get embarrased ? Not at all ...
 
Cheers .
 

 
 
 
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