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Subject: FORMER ISI CHEIF THINKS OSAMA AND TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS
counterstrike    10/28/2005 3:14:41 PM
Arnaud de Borchgrave interviews Hameed Gul, former chief of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) UPI, Sept 26, 2001. RAWALPINDI, Pakistan, Sept. 26 (UPI) -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world. Here is the transcript of the exclusive interview Gul gave to Arnaud de Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large: de Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11? Hamid Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's 0 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center ... CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves. de Borchgrave: So you're already convinced bin Laden didn't do it? Hamid Gul: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've been with them here, in Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates of the best universities and are highly intelligent with impressive degrees and speak impeccable English. These are people who have rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the Gulf countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by the way they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their whims, jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best recruits come from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where millions of poor people are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a Christian convent school in Murree, 60 miles from here, where my 13-year-old daughter is studying. The young girls there have told me Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with Mujahideen freedom fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values. de Borchgrave: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind Sept. 11? Hamid Gul: From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel? Let's be serious. Osama inspires countless millions by standing up for Islam against American and Israeli imperialism. He doesn't have the means for such a sophisticated operation. de Borchgrave: Why Mossad? Hamid Gul: Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination? de Borchgrave: At this point, someone might be asking what you've been smoking. What is Israel's interest in such a monstrous plot, which, of course, no one believes except Islamist extremists who concocted this piece of disinformation in the first place, presumably to detract from the real culprits? Hamid Gul: Jews never agreed to Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush, the 41st president) or 43 (his son George W. Bush, the 43rd president). They made sure Bush senior didn't get a second term. His land-for-peace pressure in Palestine didn't suit Israel. They were also against the young Bush because he was considered too close to oil interests and the Gulf countries. Bush senior and Jim Baker had raised 0 million for Bush junior, much of it from Mideast sources or their American go-betweens. Bush 41 and Baker, as private citizens, had also facilitated the new strategic relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran. I have this f
 
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swhitebull    RE:FORMER ISI CHEIF THINKS OSAMA AND TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS   10/28/2005 4:14:38 PM
And you wonder why westerners dont take Islamic countries seriously, except for their exports of oil and terrorists? If this is typical of the crap coming out of the Islam world - which is well-documented in MEMRI.org, you are just laying the groundwork for the eventual clash of civilizations that OBL deires. swhitebull - what a whack job. Sounds like he's been smoking the stuff a wee bit too long, as respected columnist de Borchgrave mocks. And in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny - What a Maroon. SOunds like you Pakistanis need a bit of housecleaning of your Augean stables - the stench is palpable.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:FORMER ISI CHEIF THINKS OSAMA AND TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS   10/28/2005 5:57:54 PM
Are you saying that Musharraf and his coterie do NOT sympathise with the Taliban or believe that it was Allah's wrath on the Americans on 911! I guess Mushy& Co. shud have been on their way out too!
 
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counterstrike    RE:FORMER ISI CHEIF THINKS OSAMA AND TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS   10/28/2005 11:00:42 PM
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>maybe thats why he got removed from his job he is "former" are you really that stupid or is just your education?<< Really, then let us see what PERVEZ IDIOT thinks abt U.S Here is what the Pakistani dictator, General Musharraf (and the ruling Pakistani elite) really think about co-operating with us in the War Against Terrorism. "Some ulema are trying to react on pure emotions. I want to remind them of Islam's early history. The moved from Mecca to Medina (hijrat). Was this (God forbid) cowardice? This was wisdom to save Islam. Then when the Jews saw that Islam was getting stronger they started to conspire against the muslims. When the Prophet (PBUH) saw this happening he signed a no war pact with his enemies in Mecca. I want to remind you of that pact. At the end of the pact, where his signature was required, the Meccans demanded that he cannot sign it as Prophet Mohammed. The Prophet (PBUH) agreed. The Prophet explained later that its best for Islam, and it?s the right thing to do. And time proved him right. Six months later there was a war with the Jews and the Meccans did not support the Jews and the Muslim forces won. And some time after that Mecca also fell to Islamic mujahideen." Translation - We will get what we want from the Americans (money & weapons) and then stab them in the back when it is convinient. Education.....LOL let see what u guys are thought: http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/72-17072.asp ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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counterstrike    RE:RENEGADE   10/29/2005 3:51:13 AM
then whats the point in talking with u? u do what ever u want & think is good for u, be selfish and the shame is thats what islam teaches u to be!!! But don't forget it!! the AMERICANS are well aware of this !! THIS WAS THE SAME AMERICA WHICH SUPPORTED OSAMA AGAINST USSR AND NOW PAK!! AND BTW did u read that article abt pakistani education thats great & will no!! may( 0.00001% thats the chance) enlighten u!!!
 
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Indian cadet    RE:counterstrike   10/29/2005 6:42:03 AM
Dear Indians: Whenever you guys write any crab; do mention the source of your informations as you indians are`nt smart as you show.
 
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counterstrike    RE:IC   10/29/2005 7:53:59 AM
LINK---->http://www.pakistan-facts.com/staticpages/index.php?page=2002122312295195 Keep questioning IC, the credibiltiy and u will never know the truth abt ur Nations Demagogics
 
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counterstrike    RE:FORMER ISI CHEIF THINKS OSAMA AND TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS   10/29/2005 8:16:57 AM
link--->http://terrorism.freeservers.com/ Mushy's confession
 
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Indian cadet    RE: counterstrike   10/29/2005 8:46:06 AM
Listen my innocent Indians; If Pakistan can bring down USSR (an icon for all Indians) within ten years; India is not a problem for Paki,ok You should see yr army bravery instead of Pakis/// lol Indians scared to death when it comes to fight..... Tell me why Indian army keep minorities (Sikhs, Muslims,and Christians) along the border.. Why only less than 10% so called Hindus are like "sitting ducks" at the boarder.. Why Indian Hindus are scared of Pakis so much, that they dont wanna live along the Paki boarder;Hmmmmm lol.... thats the reason these Hindus are hiding in the South of India,or they are busy in making cow' products to boom the economy; the excuse mostly southern Indians give for not joining the army. lol. Listen, Indian can never win any war by sending these scared minorities.? u`r talking about bravery of Indians... lol (Personally i dont like any type of war, not scared of it, but coz lots of innocents suffer on both sides; your posts are keep bringing these war topics,dont u get any good topic to talk:)
 
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counterstrike    RE: counterstrike   10/29/2005 9:41:30 AM
>>Listen my innocent Indians; If Pakistan can bring down USSR (an icon for all Indians) within ten years; India is not a problem for Paki,ok<< hahahahaha u got to understand one thing Pakistan didnot war against USSR it was US which was at war and the used PAK as an scape goat!! >>India is not a problem for Paki,ok<< Then what are u waiting for it has been 58 yrs Idiot!! >>You should see yr army bravery instead of Pakis/// lol<< just replace pakis with India's >>Indians scared to death when it comes to fight..... Tell me why Indian army keep minorities (Sikhs, Muslims,and Christians) along the border.. Why only less than 10% so called Hindus are like "sitting ducks" at the boarder.. Why Indian Hindus are scared of Pakis so much, that they dont wanna live along the Paki boarder;Hmmmmm lol.... thats the reason these Hindus are hiding in the South of India,or they are busy in making cow' products to boom the economy; the excuse mostly southern Indians give for not joining the army. lol.<< were are ur idiotic facts!!!---->I MEAN THE LINK i think u studied the Idiotic pakistani history books hahaha Idiot be it minorities & majorities all of them are kicking paki asses.. >>Listen, Indian can never win any war by sending these scared minorities.? u`r talking about bravery of Indians... lol<< so does pakistan by sending the so called Mujaheeden. why can't u officially declare war on India if u guys are so brave!!! (Personally i dont like any type of war, not scared of it, but coz lots of innocents suffer on both sides; your posts are keep bringing these war topics,dont u get any good topic to talk:)<< lol another good joke, I tink its a better topic than cow & camel Urine then what did u exepect to talk abt in a Military forum. HOW TO PREPARE PAN CAKES?????
 
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Indian cadet    RE: counterstrike   10/29/2005 10:12:31 AM
u got to understand one thing Pakistan didnot war against USSR it was US which was at war and the used PAK as an scape goat!! i think u need to study geogrphy first; and then study the world politics. Tell me who was fighting with them; atleast not Indians? lol Indians were sitting on the back of USSR that time; and now wanna jump on USA' back...Why Indians were providing intelligence to USSR against Pakistan and USA....lol... U people are oppurtunists...Till 9-11, Indians did`nt even know how to spell "TERRORISM" ,now only trying yr best to compete Pakistan;;; Indians and these terrorists are bunch of same flock; terrorizing the world. Now, a days, Indians have only one job left; Just wakeup in the morning and start singing'" DHOLI TARA DHOLE BAJE.........."lol, the propaganda drum beat against Pakistan ...... but nobody in the world giving any heat to you. The world knows about the truth...Just stop cashing these world`s tragedies/ "Then what are u waiting for it has been 58 yrs Idiot!!" lol This idiocy is getting to yr blood..... I dare any Indian to stand against Paki; why dont you try it so as u say you`r brave..... why you still hiding in the south India , enjoying your so called "CLASSICAL LANGUAGE", Tamil......lol >>You should see yr army bravery instead of Pakis/// >>Indians scared to death when it comes to fight..... Tell me why Indian army keep minorities (Sikhs, Muslims,and Christians) along the border.. Why only less than 10% so called Hindus are like "sitting ducks" at the boarder.. Why Indian Hindus are scared of Pakis so much, that they dont wanna live along the Paki boarder;Hmmmmm lol.... thats the reason these Hindus are hiding in the South of India,or they are busy in making cow' products to boom the economy; the excuse mostly southern Indians give for not joining the army. lol.<< idiot be it minorities & majorities all of them are kicking paki asses.. It shows yr hippocracy on Indians' bravery, so desperate;; lol... "why can't u officially declare war on India if u guys are so brave!!! " NEED to update yr self: it was declared by India already in 1947; but may be u still doesnt have a stomach to fight with Pakistan,.... ; if Hindus are scared .....,no problem--- send in yr poor minorities. Tell me anything where hindus have contributed anything to India except their Cow`products?
 
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