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Subject: Women in special forces?
rock9322    10/18/2007 11:45:53 AM
I read somwhere that there recruting women for the srr.What happened to at least 18 months with a regular regiment in the army before applying for selection.where are women gonna get that vital combat experience if there not allowed in the regular army's combat regiments.Even if it is mostly plain clothes work they do,there are gun fights if there comprimised,and i dont think women have that,combat instinct,killer instinct that certain,je ne s'qui(spelling,lol) to be at the frontline or even worse behind enemy lines.Now im not sexist,its just women arn't built for combat with ruthless enemy's who won't esitate to shoot,while like i said before they don't have that killer instinct.
 
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mough       10/18/2007 11:58:25 AM
You have not met many women then...the SRR's job is not direct combat, they an intelligence gathering unit and sometimes women can be very usful in UC work ect the women members of the SRR go through the same selection as the men, less of the walkies in the mountains then the SAS/SBS more of the psychological elemnts....probably harder in it's  way then SAS selection, you can train to march but how do you train your mind?
 
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rock9322       10/18/2007 11:59:56 AM
OK,good point.But what if there comprimised,there no killer intsinct in a women.
 
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GOP       10/18/2007 12:06:17 PM
there no killer intsinct in a women.

Women can be the most ruthless creatures in the universe, trust me on that.

 
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mough       10/18/2007 12:08:41 PM

OK,good point.But what if there comprimised,there no killer intsinct in a women.

Yes there is, it just needs to be attuned just like a mans, any fool can kill at the drop of hat, it takes someone with remarkable strength of will and self control who only kills when needed, there are women SRR members in action around the place right now, if there were not up to it they would not be there, look up the Female US SGT awarded the SS for leading an assualt on an Iraqi trench line...she killed something like 6-9 BG's in 20 minutes of close combat

 
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rock9322       10/18/2007 12:12:27 PM


there no killer intsinct in a women.



Women can be the most ruthless creatures in the universe, trust me on that.



Amen to that.
 
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rock9322       10/18/2007 12:14:00 PM
OK,OK,but men are more robust than women and what if it came down to unarmed combat surley the enemy (if men) would have the upperhand from shear strength of the man.
 
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GOP       10/18/2007 12:28:53 PM

OK,OK,but men are more robust than women and what if it came down to unarmed combat surley the enemy (if men) would have the upperhand from shear strength of the man.



That really depends on the skill level of each individual. Technique > Strength in any kind of H2H/Combat sport, although strength is an excellent modifier. Im 6-1" 200lbs and pretty dang strong for my age, and I have been owned by a 150lb Woman in Brazilian Jiujitsu (BJJ). So, there are so many variables like technique, strength, conditioning, weapons, etc etc that there is no real way to tell who would have the upper hand in a hand to hand situation like that.
 
I have also been owned emotionally by a 115lb girl, and that hurt much more . But that is a totally seperate issue
 
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rock9322       10/18/2007 12:37:58 PM
ok then we'll leave it at that,but women in any other sf (sas/sbs) no way hos a.
 
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bob the brit       10/18/2007 12:44:17 PM

ok then we'll leave it at that,but women in any other sf (sas/sbs) no way hos a.



actually the ARW will allow women to try out for selection, i'm unsure as to whether or not any have passed through so to speak but the possibility's there
 
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GOP       10/18/2007 12:51:42 PM

ok then we'll leave it at that,but women in any other sf (sas/sbs) no way hos a.


There are other reasons as to why women aren't allowed in SOF units, and they have nothing to do with toughness, reasoning, or anything similar. Without going into details, it mainly involves hygien and physical attraction.
 
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rock9322       10/18/2007 2:00:46 PM
ok,we'll leave at that
cheers.
 
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ChdNorm       10/18/2007 7:34:49 PM
First off, What's the SRR?
 
If it's (as mough said) involved in intel gathering and undercover work, that's something that (generally speaking) women excel at. Whether it's the way their minds tend to work (generally more attention to detail than men) or simply women's intuition for undercover work, don't think for a second that a properly trained women isn't just as good as their male counterpart. In addition, for undercover work, women are an invaluable asset simply because men rarely ever see it coming.  
 
As far as "killer instinct" ... people with killer instincts tend to wind up in prison, not positions of responsibility. The warrior spirit is something entirely different, and is exemplified in mough's statement "it takes someone with remarkable strength of will and self control who only kills when needed."
 
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the British Lion    ChdNorm   10/18/2007 8:48:30 PM

First off, What's the SRR?

 

Special Reconnaissance Regiment. The latest addition to the UKSF, designed mostly for on the ground intel.

B.L.
 
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longrifle       10/18/2007 9:16:14 PM
There were numerous successful women OSS and SOE agents in WWII.  They made numerous operational parachute drops into occupied Europe.  They were intelligence operatives, not commandos or raiders, but they still did some risky stuff. 

For a fun to watch example of this (albeit fictional and far fetched) see the classic WWII thriller Where Eagles Dare.

 
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Horsesoldier       10/18/2007 9:22:42 PM
Now im not sexist,its just women arn't built for combat with ruthless enemy's who won't esitate to shoot,while like i said before they don't have that killer instinct.
 
Keep in mind that the world is full of men who agree with you that women lack a killer instinct and who will, consequently, overlook a woman entirely who's doing reconnaissance work in an urban area.  Women can fade into the crowd and be overlooked much easier than a strapping six-foot tall guy who's 2% body fat, in Olympic athlete kind of shape, has a weathered tan from all the time on the range or in the field and who radiates steely-eyed killer vibes.
 
The idea is not new -- various SOF units have used female personnel for working the intel/recon side of things for a long time.  There's also the Israeli commando hit (dramatized in Munich) where they went into Beirut with half the unit dressed as women because male-female couples tended to be overlooked by PLO security elements where pairs or more of military age men drew justifiable scrutiny.
 
As for the killer instinct angle, there is some validity to the logic that testosterone levels drive aggression, but there're ample historical precendents for women performing admirably (and lethally) on the battlefield (WW2 Resistance/Partisan groups, Cold War era Wars of National Liberation all proved that point repeatedly) as well as the various female political leaders who haven't blinked a bit when it came time to kick off wholesale killing (Golda Meir, Maggie Thatcher, etc.).  They, like women working in the SOF field, probably benefitted greatly by being underestimated because of their gender.
 
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