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Subject: Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....
human7    1/26/2003 4:33:06 PM
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Kalashnikov    Biding Their Time   4/5/2003 5:47:44 PM
Of course the Russians are rebuilding.. Of course they are as strong as they once were. At the time of the USSR's collapse, a top Soviet general promised that by 2010, it would be reformed with more strength than at the height of the Cold War. Russia is certainly biding it's time.. Waiting for that one day when America turns it's back.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Biding Their Time   6/30/2003 2:02:06 PM
America will never, and I mean NEVER, turn its back on Russia any more than Russia would turn its back on the USA. America still has nukes trained on Russia. Do you really think that the USA is not watching Russia very closely? We are, and will never let up. To think that we are just ignoring russia andd allowing them to build back up in a manner oblivious to America is a bad assumption.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Biding Their Time   6/30/2003 2:03:14 PM
The soviets lost, bottom line, any rebuilding russia does will be relative to a USA too stroong for them to catch up with. Don't forget, America is still growing too.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   6/30/2003 2:20:28 PM
the 2nd article states that russia's nuclear arsenal is the world's largest. This is absolutely wrong. The US has many more nuclear warheads than russia, period. It claims that the TOPOL-M ICBM's are more sophistcated that anything we have? Hardly. These are merely sensationalized, agenda-serving articles. Russia has lost the cold war, bottom line, and to think that they can win a hot-war with the US is suicide. A nuclear war between the US and russia will destoy the earth many times over. Thinking that they can "win" an all-out thermonulear war with the US is the kind of thinking that destroyed them in the 1st place. C'mon, get serious.
 
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Red Star v.2    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   7/11/2003 9:26:45 AM
Compare-Russia 40 000 warheads vs USA 11 000. Do the Maths. And Russians are not the only propaganda, manipulating masters-look at a few American Hollywood movies, which just keep saying that USA is beeter than the barbarians
 
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Belisarius    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   7/11/2003 11:20:54 AM
Where are you getting your 40,000 and 11,000 figures? Last I heard it was more like 3-4,000 each.
 
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Red Star v.2    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   7/11/2003 11:28:42 AM
Numerous websites on Russian nuclear forces. Just browse around, can't remember the actual sites.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   7/11/2003 1:40:35 PM
Russia doesn't need hollywood to make them look bad... just stalin. Anyway, the number of warheads doesn't matter, both countries could destroy the earth 100 times, so it academic. I just think these articles are sensationalized paranoia.
 
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WinsettZ    RE:Biding Their Time   7/29/2003 11:12:21 AM
Russia grows because it has growing capacity, America has basically reached its domestic carrying capacity limit. America cannot really "check" Russia. You can't legitimately stop them from coming back...no cause to slap sanctions on them or what-not because they are an "ally". All I know is this: When Russia comes back, Chechenya will have been subjugated. When that happens...we'll know it's soon.
 
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Great Canadian    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   8/5/2003 8:53:19 AM
That is some scary in those articles. "If china and russia became allies they could start a war with the US tomorrow" thats freaky
 
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Heorot    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   8/5/2003 4:09:14 PM
And if pigs could fly, it would rain pigsh*t.
 
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WinsettZ    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   8/5/2003 5:00:11 PM
Well, the sites are a bit outdated with lack of regard to the fact that Y2K has come and gone. I hope someone updates those pages.
 
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216BC    RE:Russian MIGHT - Uncle Sam read me.....   8/5/2003 5:34:14 PM
Come on, I thought we all got past the "whose *cougharsenalcough* is bigger" thing. Russia's a cool place. Been there too. Got nothing against the ruskies.
 
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jastayme3       9/29/2008 1:50:37 AM

That is some scary in those articles. "If china and russia became allies they could start a war with the US tomorrow" thats freaky

China and Russia could start a war with the US tomorrow independently and don't need each other. But no one
thinks that likely. While I don't think a Sino-Russian alliance is out of the question, even if it takes place it will simply be
another move in the Great Game.
 
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Lance Blade    Right...   9/29/2008 6:38:29 AM
Uvazhaemye Ras-s-s-i-ya-ne!
 
It does not matter how much Russia rebuilds. It does not matter how many nuclear warheads it creates, or how many PAK-FAs it buys, or if it builds a million S-500s. It does not matter if it gets the strongest economy in the world, or becomes the most democratic country known to man. None of these things matter in the long run. Until and unless enough ordinary Russians everywhere get over their past and learn to recongise the situation for what it really is, Russia will fall. And every time it tries something, it will fall harder, and harder, until eventually it'll simply disintegrate like it's 1917 all over again. Remember British, German, Japanese troops all trying to grab chunks of the collapsing empire? The second time round they will succeed.
 
Many people seem to think that Russia deserves some sort of moral high ground. Some even compare it to Weimar Germany at the end of WW1, who got handed a raw deal and wanted revenge. I disagree. Russia handed ITSELF a raw deal, when Gorbachev consistently, without regard to national interests, gave away the Soviet Union to NATO to a cheering crowd, and all Reagan & co. could do was keep their jaws from dropping and go "erm... cheers!" Ordinary Russians got screwed over by their OWN government. And then, when they elected Yeltsin, he screwed them over too. And so Russians got upset, very upset. And Yeltsin got upset (when he was sober). And so before he died he put a guy in charge who "will bring around him people who will see the rebirth of Great Russia". And Putin did. And he also played on the fact that Russians were upset, and showed them lots of shiny new toys so they weren't as upset any more. And because they felt somewhat consoled, the government went a screwed Russia again. Russia is a great country with great people but a history of governments screwing ordinary Russians over. It was always this way. And it still is. Now the ruling party holds all the cards, does blatantly stupid things and gets away with it because Russians love it! You never thought about the bigger consequences of recognising Abhazia's and Sout Ossetia's independance now did you? No, you and everyone in the Duma just thought "let's stick it to NATO!" Maybe when the country falls apart (when Siberians finally decide they've had enough of Muscovites redirecting their rightful oil profits to some Caucasus budget holes that no-one cares for), maybe then people will start thinking. But does it have to come to that?
How many nukes does Russia have to build before it feels secure again? How many blunders must be made, how many people killed? None of that matters in the end. At this stage in time, Russia is weak and has big problems and real, powerful enemies. It must decide whether to let go and forgive, or perish. Right now, Russians can have their revenge, or they can have a future, but they cannot have both. The choice is not mine to make. It's up to you guys. Choose wisely.
 
Let me remind you what happened the last time a country with a grudge against a bigger country rose from the ashes, rebuilt, got a good military and decided to go a-conquering. I believe its name is... Georgia?
 
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