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Subject: Turkey is more Western than Europe realizes
swami    11/7/2004 4:17:15 PM
Many Europeans seem to be opposed to an "Asiatic" Turkey joining the EU. While Turkey has clearly been heavily influenced by Islam, Arab and Central Asian culture, it has an even longer Western and Christian tradition.
From Alexander the Great's conquest in 333 BC until the Roman conquest, the area that is now called Turkey was heavily influenced by Greek culture. And lets not forget that the Roman Empire lasted in this area far longer than it did in the West. Until the battle of Manzikert in 1071, the area was ruled by the Orthodox Christian Byzantines, the successor empire of the Romans. And Constantinople did not fall until 1453. So "Turkey" was part of the West for 1400 to 1800 years depending on your definition. That compares to only 500 to 900 years of Ottoman Turk/Muslim influence. In addition, Ataturk accomplished a significant amount of Westernization after WWI. Turkey joining the EU would be reassertion of the status quo not a dramatic change as some believe.
 
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Thomas    RE:Turkey is more Western than Europe realizes   11/18/2004 8:42:15 AM
Turkey joining the EU is a long term project - and it will involve a reform just as great as the one Atatük made.
 
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icetea    RE:Turkey is more Western than Europe realizes   11/23/2004 12:52:33 AM
Turkey does not need eu, eu needs turkey. Turkey has everthing it needs and much more. Only thing turkey needs IRS system like US and it is set. Biggest problem turkish governement faces is tax fraud. ALways has always will. Thats the fact.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Turkey is more Western than Europe realizes   1/23/2005 11:39:46 AM
The EU certainly does not -need- Turkey, what on Earth could make you think that?
 
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MaviTengriYurt       1/31/2007 12:48:37 PM
Why does EU need Western Thrace?
The EU certainly does not -need- Turkey, what on Earth could make you think that?


 
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Serjy       9/23/2007 8:16:45 PM
WELL MY FRIEND BOTH OF THEM CAN GAIN FROM ONE ANOTHER WAT DOES TURKEY NOT HAVE THAT EU NOT WANT
 
TURKISH POPULITION>>> ALMOST HALF OF TURKISH POPULATION IS YOUNG>>WORK FORCE
 
TURKISH>>>AGRICULTURE HALF OF DA FOOD U EAT PROBABLY COMES FROM TURKEY
 
TURKISH MILITARY>>NO MATTER WAT U SAY ABOUT THEM THEY ARE TOP 10
 
and turkish economy is developin its not good as europeans but in couple of years hopefully it will be better
 
DA ONLY PROBABLY WITH U EUROPEANS IS THAT, HISTORY ,U STILL CANT FORGET DA HISTORY BASICALLY ALL ANTI TURKS 
WE LIVING IN 21 CENTURY I BELIVE  WE MUST CO-EXIST AND MAKE EUROPE A BETTER PLACE
 
AND STOP WITH UR ANTI ISLAM CHANTS I AM FROM TURKEY BUT WE MUST RESPECT ONE ANOTHER
 
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Barca       9/24/2007 9:54:08 AM
"While Turkey has clearly been heavily influenced by Islam, Arab and Central Asian culture, it has an even longer Western and Christian tradition. "
 
I see what you are saying.  The question is 'do they think of themselves as friendly to Western and Christian culture?'
 
 
 
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historynut       9/24/2007 11:43:32 AM

"While Turkey has clearly been heavily influenced by Islam, Arab and Central Asian culture, it has an even longer Western and Christian tradition. "

 

I see what you are saying.  The question is 'do they think of themselves as friendly to Western and Christian culture?'

 

 

Seeing how well that get along with a Jewish country next door to them and to a mainly Christian U.S. don't see why they could not along with Europe. Except maybe for the bad way Europe treats them. I haved talked to a number of Turks who have visited said Jewish country and Europe. Where do you think they got treated better? I've heard comments about how blacks are treated in the U.S. from people from Europe. But at lest we treat them when they came to a hospital injured and don't send them someplace else. The last time I heard about that happening where I live was in the 1970's.
Maybe Europe should look at how they treat others before they talk about how unbiased they are. At lest in the U.S. we admitted we had a problem and have tryed to change it.
 
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kane       9/24/2007 12:57:05 PM

"While Turkey has clearly been heavily influenced by Islam, Arab and Central Asian culture, it has an even longer Western and Christian tradition. "

 

I see what you are saying.  The question is 'do they think of themselves as friendly to Western and Christian culture?'

 

 

Well that depends.....if you believe that educated side of Turkish community represents us it changes like this

Most of the well educated people are pro-western and live like that(not only them of course), generally anti-imperialist
when it comes to poor people who are barely educated-they're naive they just want to live a good life, they're not like anti-western but they can be easily influenced by religious politics

religious ones-well AKP is VERY liberal and pro-western but there is something wrong with them...it's easy to sense
The ones who wants sharia are a little minority but as I said education level f Turkey is low in many places so it's easy to fool them


 
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Barca       9/24/2007 9:32:31 PM
Actually, I don't think we have a choice.  If civilization is to survive another century, the western world needs to engage countries like Turkey.  We should be partnering as much as we can, so that other muslim countries can see the benefits of democracies.
 
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kane       9/25/2007 9:31:12 AM
Well you guys are not aware but the title USA gave to Turkey is damaging us badly...We are not a "democratic Islamic country" .We are a secular country and not Islamic...Peoples religions is for themselves(90% is Muslim though)
Under this name Turkey became more Islamized than you can imagine and it's a threat now.
USA's supporting AKP and trying to show Turkey as an example for their ideal "democratic Islamic county"...We are not.They did the same for Malaysia and see what happens there now.In the last 10 years number of women wearing turban increaased from 10% to 80%(in Malaysia)
Their president which is supported by USA declared that Malaysia is Islamic.Sharia laws are replacing modern laws...
So just call us secular and be aware of this is wrong politics

 
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Scratchie       9/26/2007 7:29:07 PM
It's not a threat that we are muslims, kane. At this point, with the amount of bashing that we get, I do not want to join EU. Briefly, I don't want to be somewhere where I am not wanted. It's just rude, discriminative, and very very stupid. If the minds of Austrians are still at Vienna siege which had happened 100s of hundreds of years ago, if the French are making it a law to accept Armenian genocide, if the PKK still keep killing innocent people for something that they don't deserve and we Turks get blamed when we retaliate, if the Greeks still want miles of aegean see, I do not want to be a part of that union. We are better off on our own.

 
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Jeff_F_F       10/13/2007 3:36:45 PM
Maybe the US, Israel, Turkey, and eastern european stats just need to ignore the EU and start a union of non-xenophobic states.
 
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