NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!!

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kane RE:yep 9/21/2005 8:52:43 AM

you're right.i'm really proud of my country.even if God gives me the chance of being an american , i won't accept

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Volkan the Turk RE:NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!! 10/9/2005 10:30:01 AM

I am a Turk who grew up in Australia, but i am a Turk. And my children will be Turkish. And i have completely integrated into Australian western culture, without losing my identity. I was elected the captain of my school thru peers, i got the top mark in the university examinations, and i am part of many cultural and charitable organisations. But along side this i am also the president of turkish student assoication and many other Turkish culture activities. I will not lose my Turkish identity because i love my country, i love my culture, and i love my people. Futhermore, thru out thousands of years our forefathers sacrificed their lives, without thinking twice, so that we may remain Turkish. I will not insult them by forgetting about their sacrifice. When it comes to us being to nationalistic, there is no such thing. I would die for my country, if it was in any threat at all. Without thinking twice. I will spend my whole life conserving our culture and language. What can be to extreme is ignorance. And dont confuse this with patrotism. Ignorance is idiots on this forum calling for a war with Turkey. Ignorance is claiming all those racsist comments being exclaimed about Turkey by Europeans in this forum. With attitudes like that no wonder the Euro-Turks have a hard time integrating. You guys claim there is a culture gap, but looking at the comments made on this forum by the Europeans, i am even more proud to be Turkish. Atleast, even though we are obviuosly biased, we still have a common humanity in us. Do you honestly think that your country is so fantastic that we want to leave our beloved homes and come to you cold, crowded, foreign nation? Even though we know the racsism, cold heartedness, and bigortory that lies ahead? Of course we dont you uneducated idiots! We do so, so that our children will have better lives. What did you do to deserve a better life? what the F**K right do you have to look down upon anyone you is different and poor. You were born into your lives! And if you were born in Turkey or any poor nation, how would u feel, working day and night, and still not being able to give you kids 1 tenth of what some lazy bigot in a European welfare state can give their kids? Have some humanity, have some brains. We are muslim, so bloody what? Does that mean all Christians are good? No! Does that mean all muslims are good? NO! You all look on TV and see muslim terorists, but terorism is increasing as it is being more and more advertised and muslims are being more and more prosecutes againsts. Plus since when have Turks been terorists? Plus no one mentioned terorism when Aremenians were excuting and bombing our embassies? No one mentioned terorism when muslims in Azerbajcan were being killed. No one mentioned terorism when Cyprus was cleansing Turks. Dont get me wrong. IM not religious at all. And im sure alot of biased has been in the pro-Turkish media which i am influenced by. BUT the difference is we can realise this. We arent blind enough to think we are all holy and mighty and the foreigners want our land. Think of it from the other persons view. In Australia, Arabs are the ones prosecuted against. And likewise, they seem to underperform and are involved in alot of crime. In nation surveys, Turks in Australia seem to be among the top few most successful ethnicities along with the Asian countries. This shows, that even though Turks came here much later then Germany, we can succeed if the country allows us too. Id like to relay a final message to all my Turkish kindred, never lose your Turkishness. Never lose our language or culture. We belong together. No matter where in this world we may travel, never forget that tens of millions thru out history have given and devouted their whole lives so that we may keep our culture and our heritage. Never forget you are who you are because of them. Meet and integrate, but never lose and forget. And a final message to the west, get over it. Forget what people's race or religion is. Keep you own culture. If you only accepted foreigners as people and not as some different lower race, they wouldnt be in crime or have less opportunities. Racsism is a thing of the past. You can say all you want, but not accepting a country into Europe, even though you need us, even though if you reject us into the EU your going to have to allow migration from Africa and the MIddle east at increasing rates to substitute your declining population (im doing an honours in Economics so i know what im talking about). So your going to have to take in people from different cultures anyway. It might aswell be Turks, who are a mix of east and west culture. If anyone would like to ask or talk to me my email is volkanism@hotmail.com

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WeAreCured RE:NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!! to aspelon 10/21/2005 7:24:27 PM

Man, that 's the kind of attitude that the Japanese had in WWII and looked what happened. They didn't have to get hit with 2 nukes, but because those in power thought like you do, they did. Tone it down a notch. Nobody's going to attack Turkey, and even if they do, a ceasefire would be implemented in a very short time. No one likes war. Chill out.

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jastayme3 RE:NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!! 10/31/2005 6:39:50 PM

" THERE IS A NATION THAT HAS TAKEN OVER THE 3 CONTINENTS , AND THIS NATION WILL STAND FOREVER . . . " THIS GIVES YOU THE MESSAGE !!! WHO WILL DESTROY US ? THE " PKK " B*****DS? NO ? ARMENIANS ? I WILL LAUGH WITH MI' A** . KURDS ? HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! NO ANY FIREARMS / WEAPONRY / ARTILLERY CAN DESTROY US , CAUSE WE ARE THE " TURKS " !!! WE HAVE OUR HEARTS FILLED UP WITH BEING A TURK !!! THAT'S WHY WE NEVER LOSE !!! ----------------------------- whatever. you sound worse then the greek guy.

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jastayme3 RE:NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!! 10/31/2005 6:45:05 PM

whatever. you sound worse then the greek guy. meaning the who wants a war with turkey guy that is

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Titan RE:NOT EVEN TRY TO CHALLENGE !!! 11/6/2005 10:43:25 PM

ASPELON You are one of those blind extreme nationalists. And what you are saying is utter nonsense. Turkey lost many battles in the past and so did other nations. Don't involve the Quran with your sick claims. Trust me Turks are NOT a superior race.. God created all people equal. Lastly, I have to dissapoint you, but Turkey doesn't stand a chance against countries like the US, Russia, Great Brittain etc.. wake up this is the 21th century!

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Pars RE:Titan 11/7/2005 5:19:15 PM

I am a Turk. And I must say that Turks have lots of humilating defeats from 17th century to early 20th century. Especially Balkan Wars was exceptionally humilating lost a war against several small nations. But also Turkish Republican Army from 1919 to today never lost a battle. We never faced full strength of a major nation, but we have a good record. I might also say that todays Turkey probably could face Russia alone. They do not have the same caliber they use to have, Afghanistan and Chechen wars really damaged them pretty bad. I do not think that any nation in the world can beat an invasion of USA in a convential war though.

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Titan RE:Pars 11/7/2005 6:45:21 PM

Pars, I'm a Turk as well.. nice to meet you. I'm so glad to meet mature and sensible Turks like you. I doubt the US could invade us, why do you think they can? An invasion is something very different. But the US would certainly destroy all our fighter planes, navy, infrastructure etc.. no country has a chance against the US in that regard.

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Titan RE:Pars 11/7/2005 6:51:38 PM

EDIT: Sorry Pars, I think you meant: no country could ever invade the US. I think I misunderstood you.

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Pars A hypothical US invasion of Turkey. 11/8/2005 12:52:14 PM

The first one was right. I meant USA have the power to make a successful conventional invasion of any country in the world. I meant in a conventional warfare it is impossible to beat them because of their much superior air power. In this century every battle in which one side had a clear air superiority he won the battles. But like every army whose specialised in conventional warfare, US army is not very good at guerilla warfare. As the first one mostly depends on armor and air forces but second one mostly depends on infantry. In our case opposite is true. Turkey is not very good at conventional warfare. But as we have good and numerous infantry we have an edge in guerilla warfare. During WW2 some time before Operation Barbarossa, Hitler selected an officer, to plan how much force does Germany need to invade Turkey. The answer was Germany needs 10 division (half of them mechanised) to invade Turkey, but need 40 infantry divisions to hold it. That was mostly because Turkey has favourable terrain (many forests and mountains) for a guerilla war and a military tradition to fight to the last. Of course if you fight against USA; there will be no infrastructure left in Turkey to be speak of. But in my opinion it is impossible that any USA-Turkey war to happen. Turkish economy is too dependent on USA and Turkey with Israel is the only dependable ally in the long run at Middle-East. The alliance is and always will be very profitable to both sides.

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Titan RE:A hypothical US invasion of Turkey. 11/8/2005 4:24:32 PM

I agree with your post. The problem I have with my countrymen is that many of them are so blinded by nationalism that they don't know even what the US is capable of. I mean if someone says things like: the US could bomb Turkey and destroy the country's entire infrastructure and military equipment - they will accuse that person of being a traitor. This is why your (objective) message surprised me.

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